in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 7 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2594 In this digest: IN> What am I missing? (Contest) Re: IN> Do Not Go Gently IN> EDG and INC Re: IN> EDG and INC Re: IN> EDG and INC IN> Hello Re: IN> EDG and INC Re: IN> EDG and INC Re: IN> EDG and INC Re: IN> Hello Re: IN> Hello Re: IN> Hello IN> IN - Uriel : A Different Tune Re: IN> IN - Uriel : A Different Tune ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> What am I missing? (Contest) OK, I know that I can't find ZigZag, and I'm unsure about whether this thing of EDG's is an actual entry*. Other than that, what am I missing? Currently, I have stuff from: Casca Jon Walton Josh Moger Matt Gerber Matt Walsh Manny Prodigal Richard Drysdale Anybody I've missed, let me know. Moe *Even if it isn't, I'd say that you should avoid false modesty and put it on the INC, once you're done with it. Indeed, you should put MORE of your own stuff on the INC. (Looking around) Do we have consensus, here? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:08:58 -0500 From: Christopher Pipinou Subject: Re: IN> Do Not Go Gently On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:26:08 -0500 "Josh Moger" writes: > Hmm... well there goes that theory. > > I'm actually surprised that Kobal went so easily. > > How easy is it for a Demon Prince to fake his death? Hells, I've been surprised that Baal and Saminga went quite so easily, either... But this has been interesting nonetheless to read... Best, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:24:11 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> EDG and INC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: "IN List" Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: IN> What am I missing? (Contest) [snip] > Indeed, you should put MORE of your own stuff on the > INC. (Looking around) Do we have consensus, here? Second the motion. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:54:33 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> EDG and INC > > Indeed, you should put MORE of your own stuff on the > > INC. (Looking around) Do we have consensus, here? > > Moe >Second the motion. >Chuckg Perhaos he does not wish to use it as his own private ego booster, "yes i put my stuff here as well as my own site as it is soooooooo great. Laugh and tremble before me all ye lessers of the IN list.. MWahahahah" Or he is merely humble in that respect. "my stuff? in the INC? sorry, is that an oxymoron?" I for one hope that all of the "haagenti superfeind" stuff gets logged some where so it can all be read in sequence. I think it would be a great setting to play in as well, so a plot thread thrown in for each story section, like what happens to all those demons suddenly with out a boss? "Feel a little empty.. why, hey, heres mariel, yes she knows all about emptyness.. go see her, she'll take the pain away for you.." Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:09:11 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> EDG and INC >I for one hope that all of the "haagenti superfeind" stuff gets logged some >where so it can all be read in sequence. I've got it all saved in sequince and if no one posts it anywhere I'll make a page for it (With EDG's permission of course). In my opinion this is the best set of fiction since the "Confessions of Dominic" contest. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:00:06 -0800 From: "Patrick None" Subject: IN> Hello Hello all, new subscriber from Montreal. I hope this isn't an old question - and if it is, could someone send me the digest link - but what are the reasons for Jean's politics? For example, why is he hostile toward Novalis? Actually, I'd appreciate any off-beat and useful thoughts on jean. Thanks! Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:57:50 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> EDG and INC At 10:09 PM 4/6/02 +0000, you wrote: >I've got it all saved in sequince and if no one posts it anywhere I'll >make a page for it (With EDG's permission of course). Sorry it didn't occur to me to post this earlier... -_-;; All of these posts are being archived here: http://heretech.mirrorscape.net/in-nomine/ (Note also that since I'm trying desperately to respect the list's post-size restrictions, new stories might show up on the website before they show up on the list! -_-) This is also a convenient time to say that I'm moving back to Maryland this weekend, so my posting may be a little sporadic. Cheers, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:12:31 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> EDG and INC >http://heretech.mirrorscape.net/in-nomine/ > snip First, the title of the cycle is great. The ? Cycle. It fits. Second, will you be expanding upon In Nomine Upside-Down? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:46:29 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> EDG and INC At 07:12 PM 4/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >Second, will you be expanding upon In Nomine Upside-Down? It'd be an interesting exercise, but those were something I just threw together to get them out of my head. ^_^ If anybody wants to take them and run, feel free. ^_^ - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:26:48 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Hello > Hello all, new subscriber from Montreal. > I hope this isn't an old question - and if it is, could someone send me the >digest link - but what are the reasons for Jean's politics? For example, why >is he hostile toward Novalis? Firstly, their methods are wildly different. Novalis is an easygoing kind of Archangel -- while (IMHO) she plans and prepares as much as the average Archangel, her plans are flexible and adaptive to the point of seeming unplanned. As a Cherub, she can be very reactive. The proactive Jean, on the other hand, is a micromanager's dream -- he *can* be in several places at once, 24 hours a day. ;^) He prefers not to embark on a course of action until he has looked over (inhumanly) many of the ramifications, something reinforced by both his Elohite nature and his Word. Many such people have a lower opinion of those they consider to be their epimethean colleagues. Secondly, Novalis' outlook on violence is easily characterizable as "extreme"; suitable, of course, for an ancient spirit primally connected to Nature, but not making for the easiest of relations. In Jean's mind, the elimination of unrepentant demons is a strong positive result, and Novalis' practices of mercy seem to be, shall we say, "often counterproductive, and not in the best interests of the Symphony." As an Elohite, those quiet phrases could be the closest Jean will come to cussing someone out in public. (FYI -- those are my words, not a quote from a book.) Before I go with this paragraph, let me just say that it's easy for me to identify with Jean through the lens of my own experience as an academe and a teacher. That in mind, there is the common stereotype of agrarians and flowerchildren as uneducated and even anti-education(the "let's all unplug, live in sod houses, and grow soy" image). Now, I seriously doubt Jean would think any such thing of Novalis (although this stereotype might have informed the writers' decision to set his opinion of her); however, she can easily be played as encouraging such activities, even if she is supportive of the advancement of human knowledge in general. That such activities hurt Technology far more than they hurt Lightning, particularly when the back-to-basics activists have their own leading scholars, is only a minor counterbalance to someone who has responsibility for a large chunk of human knowledge and sees its proper dissemination as the surest route to human happiness. Well, that was a lot longer than I expected it to be. Of course, Jean does think things through carefully, so maybe that shouldn't come as a surprise. ;^) In summary, I'd say Jean worries that Novalis is too undisciplined, overly merciful to Hell, and either does act, or has some potential for acting, against his efforts. > Actually, I'd appreciate any off-beat and useful thoughts on jean. Try the In Nomine Collection, it usually has promising stuff on any major piece of the game. > Thanks! > Patrick William ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:34:22 -0800 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> Hello Thanks for your thoughts. I figured that Jean was hostile to the two most extreme Archangels - Novalis and Michael - in terms of the War because they both refuse to think emotionally. Jordi is easy to figure out his hostility towards. Blandine dislikes him, I presume, because his word includes stifling the dreams of advancement in some humans - the restriction of technology? Any idea why Laurence likes him so much (allied) even though he doesn't return the favor? Sorry to be so nuisance esque, but my PBEM is just firing off, so I figured I'd pool the wisdom of the list. > > Try the In Nomine Collection, it usually has promising stuff on any major > piece of the game. > Am doing so, thanks:) > > William > > > Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 23:08:23 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Hello > Thanks for your thoughts. I figured that Jean was hostile to the two most >extreme Archangels - Novalis and Michael - in terms of the War because they >both refuse to think emotionally. Jordi is easy to figure out his hostility >towards. I presume you mean because they *do* think emotionally. Bear in mind that he's neutral towards Blandine, even though she is hostile toward him -- he acknowledges her success in her field, regardless (mostly) of her methods. In my personal view of the Archangels, Jean and Blandine are the two archangels of the human mind -- one the conscious, the other the subconscious, with all the tensions and bonds that those identifications imply. > Blandine dislikes him, I presume, because his word includes stifling the >dreams of advancement in some humans - the restriction of technology? Well, Blandine *has* an extended writeup, in Superiors 3 -- these books are great resources for getting into the heads of Archangels, and they're also my favorite supplements for the line so far -- so let me look it up there. Apparently, the gentle Lady of Dreams thinks he's too manipulative and controlling. A human equivalent might be a bohemian artist finding a university professor too cold and hidebound. > Any idea why Laurence likes him so much (allied) even though he doesn't >return the favor? Laurence also has an extended writeup. Hmm. Mainly it seems to be because he toes the party line, is a disciplined Archangel, and makes an obvious contribution to the War. The Archangel of the Sword sees things in terms of weaponry, if one takes the simplistic view, and Jean fits that mold well. As for not returning the favor, a bare few hundred years probably isn't enough for Jean to have formed any strong opinion of Laurence's abilities as Commander of the Host yet; on the other hand, his opinion might be improving from a previously worse state. > Sorry to be so nuisance esque, but my PBEM is just firing off, so I figured >I'd pool the wisdom of the list. Quite all right, I'm a Jean fan. > Patrick William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:23:24 -0500 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: IN> IN - Uriel : A Different Tune Someone posted a story on Uriel and I keyed on the theme of his never having doubts. This isn't so much a story I guess as it is ideas floating around in my head. *** Unshaken faith. That is what an angel is. You know that there is a God. Know it in your soul because everything you are proclaims his glory and power. Faith is easy for an angel. Purity of purpose comes with the unshakeable conviction that you are on the side of Righteousness and it's as simple as that. Which is why when Lucifer, Lord of the Morningstar and Seraph of Light, first approached Uriel about the whole Eden business, Uriel listened. The thought that a fellow angel would disassemble never crossed his mind. Lying? Impossible. So Uriel listened and shrugged and said something along the lines of, "Sure, if you're supposition is correct and mankind is a plague than it would follow that we are not mankind's servants." But since circumstances pointed out differently, Uriel had no reason to be further concerned. The Eden experiment pointed out the truth of things so why be bothered with the details any longer? Uriel's faith in God remained unshaken, as did his faith in his fellow angels. But Lucifer still had worries. The Morningstar was concerned that some angels might not be as accepting as Uriel. Some might doubt that God had been fair. Lucifer pointed out that ancient angels like Michael were proud and famous for their unyielding nature. Would it be possible, Lucifer asked, if Uriel would stand beside him, and together they could talk to Michael about the situation. Bring everyone's concerns to light and get the matter settled. Closure was required if Heaven were to remain in harmony. Of course Uriel agreed. If Michael were going to let his pride get in the way of things, Uriel would gladly stand strong and prevent harm from coming to those who would promote the Truth of God's creation. Then the Truth came out. When the Revolution occurred, Uriel was standing in the ranks of those who were opposed to Heaven's plans. The outrage that he would let himself be blinded to the realities of Lucifer's plans burned him with shame. It burned him with rage. It burned away his Celestial form until what remained was a grim figure with black wings and a clarity of purpose so strong that it realigned his very Forces. Vows were spoken. The first, "Thou Shalt Not Suffer an Evil to Live" spoken as he plunged his sword into the heart of a rebel. The second "Thou Shalt Not Bow to Evil, Ea'n If Thy Destruction Be Assured" spoken as he turned to face those who surrounded him and he began to defend Heaven. More vows were spoken by Uriel. Many more, as he routed those who would deny the Truth of Heaven, as he defended those angels too weak to fight against Lucifer's army, and as he hacked a bloody path across the floor of Heaven in an attempt to strike down the one who had so blinded him to the Truth. Purity is not something that one has and never worries again. Uriel knew it. He could look inside his soul and see where there had been a doubt once. Purity and Honor must be reclaimed every day and tested against the steel of your resolve. Each and every day. Light must always be striven for, because Darkness can claim one all too easily. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:00:52 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> IN - Uriel : A Different Tune From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" > > Someone posted a story on Uriel and I keyed on the theme of his never having > doubts. This isn't so much a story I guess as it is ideas floating around > in my head. Nice work - this raises some interesting possibilities. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2594 ********************************