in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 7 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2851 In this digest: Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) Re: IN> The Crusade Pt I: Two Visits -- new fic IN> I boggle... Re: IN> I boggle... Re: IN> I boggle... Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) Re: IN> I boggle... Re: Irrational Dislike of Belial (Was Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT) Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) Re: IN> I boggle... Re: IN> I boggle... Re: Irrational Dislike of Belial (Was Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT) IN> New Discord (was: I boggle...) Re: IN> I boggle... IN> Kyrio Kryptonite Re: IN> I boggle... Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) RE: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite IN> The Crusade Pt II: Councils of War -- new fic IN> Isn't it amazing what people will do for a Word..... IN> The Crowbar That Kneecapped Nancy Kerrigan IN> Making "Deep" Characters Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite IN> New Songs for Saminga Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) Re: IN> I boggle... Re: IN> Making "Deep" Characters Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Djinn: Every time that a Stalker of Corruption makes a > suggestion to their > attuned, they must make a Will roll to not consider doing > what the Djinn suggested! Which makes them Shedim who are easier to spot. It's a balanced Attunement, though. > Calabim: These Calabim can let the flow of their entropy > slowly degrade instead of instantly destroy. Ouch! > Habbalah: If the target of one of these Habbalite's > resonance fails his Will > roll, the emotion that he is inflicted with will become a > temporary Ethereal > Discord or a disadvantage, at a level equal to the check > digit of the > Habbalite's resonance, lasting for 24 hours. Only one > Discord/disadvantage > of this type can be inflicted at a time. Double ouch! > Honorium: An Honorite of Corruption can engulf her body > in a hellish > yellow-black flame whenever she fights in celestial form. > For every > successful hit landed, her targets Will goes down by one, > recovering at the rate of 1 every 2 rounds. I see massive potential for abuse in this one. > Lilim: Lilim of Beelzebub can automatically see Needs > that relate to any > Discord the target of their resonance possesses. Makes sense. > Shedim: Shedim of Corruption always succeed in possessing > anyone who had a > disadvantage. In addition they add their Celestial Forces > to all resonance rolls they make. The second part of this is unnecessary IMO. There are plenty of Humans with Disads; that alone makes it a very useful Attunement. Another way to go at it is to give them a bonus to the Resonance roll equal to the level of the highest Disad. You could even double-dip here; if the target has multiple Disads, the highest one gives a bonus to the TN and the lowest gives a bonus to the CD. > Impudites: For every time an Impudite of Corruption > successfully Charms a > human, his target has a -1 to resist him the next time he > Charms him, often > snowballing into people who can never tell the Impudite > no. However, if the > Impudite fails any of the resonance rolls, or the target > resists, the penalty is lost. This I really like. > Skulkers: These Dark Grigori add their Celestial Forces > to their resonance > when they are trying to mask a disturbance caused by a > demon corrupting > someone. Also, when they impregnate or are impregnated by > a human, the child will always be a Nephallim. Tres cool. > *Servitor Attunements* > > The Black Hand: For 2 Essence, whatever the demon touches > is subtly > corrupted, softening humans for more serious > depravations, and ruining objects. OK. > Heart of Darkness: At the cost of 1 Essence and a > successful Perception > roll, the demon may look into the soul of a human and > know which sin will > drive a human into corruption- and just how low the human > can go, barring > celestial interference. Note that this is not the same as > seeing a human's > Fate, although it certainly may be a part of it. Probably the most useful weapon in a Corrupter's arsenal. > Captain of the Rotting Heart: Beelzebub's Captains can > temporarily increase > the power of a Discord in another celestial, with a cost > equal to the new > level of the Discord, and a duration equal to the demon's > Forces appropriate > to the type of Discord being increased in hours. For > instance, a Captain > increases an angel's Anger/2 Discord to Anger/5, for a > cost of 5 Essence. > The demon has 5 Ethereal Forces, so the increase will > last for 5 hours. Interesting... > Baron of the Fall: Masters of corruption, these demons > could give a gentle > push to those angels already on their way to a Fall. Yikes! This is ugly, but so poetic. The angel has a surefire way out of this if he can only bring himself to use it. Nice. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:48:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Crusade Pt I: Two Visits -- new fic Wow. All this great fiction on the list. I don't know which Attunement is at work, Inspiration or Desperation. 0;> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:54:29 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: IN> I boggle... This is probably old hat to anyone but me, but I just have to vent this one. I was just sitting and reading the paper on the web, minding my own business and relaxing. Then I nearly choked on my soda! Right there, on top of an article about Marlene Dietrich was the picture of Andrealpus from the Core Rulebook! I never knew that Andrea and Lili Marlene was one and the same... Wow. http://fredag.dagbladet.no/fredag/2002/11/06/353210.html - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:19:35 -0700 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... I once stumbled across another of the photos Smith used as models for his IN illustrations. The picture of Laurence from the core rulebook was modeled after a photo of one of the actors in the old "Robin Hood" British TV series, published in some fan magazine. - -David Unni Solaas wrote: >This is probably old hat to anyone but me, but I just have to vent this >one. > >I was just sitting and reading the paper on the web, minding my own >business and relaxing. Then I nearly choked on my soda! Right there, on >top of an article about Marlene Dietrich was the picture of Andrealpus >from the Core Rulebook! > >I never knew that Andrea and Lili Marlene was one and the same... Wow. > >http://fredag.dagbladet.no/fredag/2002/11/06/353210.html > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:47:23 -0700 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... > I once stumbled across another of the photos Smith used as models for > his IN illustrations. The picture of Laurence from the core rulebook was > modeled after a photo of one of the actors in the old "Robin Hood" > British TV series, published in some fan magazine. > > -David This doesn't look like the picture you mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it's the actor. http://www.chaoticworks.com/praed/praed4.jpg Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:54:58 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) Michael Walton writes: > --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> Djinn: Every time that a Stalker of Corruption makes a >> suggestion to their >> attuned, they must make a Will roll to not consider doing >> what the Djinn suggested! > > Which makes them Shedim who are easier to spot. It's a > balanced Attunement, though. It was the one you originally suggested I think :D but yeah... I was trying to think up of a good one for these guys. May be revised. > >> Honorium: An Honorite of Corruption can engulf her body >> in a hellish >> yellow-black flame whenever she fights in celestial form. >> For every >> successful hit landed, her targets Will goes down by one, >> recovering at the rate of 1 every 2 rounds. > > I see massive potential for abuse in this one. Really? You thought it was okay the first time. Note that it's -not- -1 to Will for every Body/Mind/Soul hit done, but for very blow that connects, maximum one per round. So if you can run away fast enough, your Will will shoot right back up. > >> Shedim: Shedim of Corruption always succeed in possessing >> anyone who had a >> disadvantage. In addition they add their Celestial Forces >> to all resonance rolls they make. > > The second part of this is unnecessary IMO. There are > plenty of Humans with Disads; that alone makes it a very > useful Attunement. Another way to go at it is to give them > a bonus to the Resonance roll equal to the level of the > highest Disad. You could even double-dip here; if the > target has multiple Disads, the highest one gives a bonus > to the TN and the lowest gives a bonus to the CD. Hmm... so a bonus to the resonance equal to the highest leveled disadvantage then? Makes more sense. The last part was sort of a tack on I confess, I suppose I wanted to make them a little intimidating (precursors to Legion and all). > >> Baron of the Fall: Masters of corruption, these demons >> could give a gentle >> push to those angels already on their way to a Fall. > > Yikes! This is ugly, but so poetic. The angel has a > surefire way out of this if he can only bring himself to > use it. Nice. I like it a heck of a lot better than the first one. And all the little angel has to do to save herself is just say "no". :D but when your that dissonant, the desire to impose your will upon the world can be sooo tempting... ^_~ --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:54:49 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> New! Better! More Taste! Not Really... (Beelzebub Revised) fantastic write up, going in my save box of neat stuff. But for some reason ive always viewed Beelzebub as a shedim, I just think the whole word of corruption fits that band better. Just a thought Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:56:37 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... Unni Solaas writes: > This is probably old hat to anyone but me, but I just have to vent this > one. > > I was just sitting and reading the paper on the web, minding my own > business and relaxing. Then I nearly choked on my soda! Right there, on > top of an article about Marlene Dietrich was the picture of Andrealpus > from the Core Rulebook! > > I never knew that Andrea and Lili Marlene was one and the same... Wow. > > http://fredag.dagbladet.no/fredag/2002/11/06/353210.html > Huh. That is pretty freaky, but cool. I was -wondering- what it was that Andy was holding on to in her picture! :) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: Irrational Dislike of Belial (Was Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT) - --- EDG wrote: > At 02:21 PM 11/7/2002 -0500, Josh Moger wrote: > > >And when I say prejudice, I do not mean irrational > dislike. I just mean > >that looking at other works de Moe, you can see a > common thread, much like > >stuff dealing with Belial. > > (This is provoking. ;) > > Celestial Discord: Irrational Dislike of Belial BWAHHHAHHAHHHAHHHAHHHHH!!!!! Meanwhile, EDG's going, "It's not necessary to respond! I'm standing right here!" BWAHHAHHHHAHHHHAHHHH!!!!! Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > It might work if the equipment they use includes a > Coffin of Undeath Just what did you think 'captured Faction MANSON equipment' was, anyway? :) > (an > artifact which sure as hell will not exist in my > campaign Damn skippy. > Final note: Ick. Ick. Ick. Indeed. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:02:38 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... > >This doesn't look like the picture you mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it's >the actor. > >http://www.chaoticworks.com/praed/praed4.jpg > >Ben > ::looking at core book:: Oh yeah, that's him Course, when I looked at the picture on the web first, I wondered what you meant, after all, Laurence has blond hair- at least that's the image stuck permanently in my mind. I don't know why. It's just there. I know, factually that it's black/purple(well it is) in the book, but I think because of the picture on page 34 of the rule book, Laurence will always be a blond for me. Strange... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... - --- Unni Solaas wrote: > I was just sitting and reading the paper on the web, > minding my own > business and relaxing. Then I nearly choked on my > soda! Right there, on > top of an article about Marlene Dietrich was the > picture of Andrealpus > from the Core Rulebook! I will be dipped in sh*t. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:23:24 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: Irrational Dislike of Belial (Was Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT) *laughs* I count myself among Belial haters, and this made my belly all warm and stuff :D your a fount of ideas today EDG! I also loved the crowbar Hardcore Tether thing XD --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> New Discord (was: I boggle...) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > I will be dipped in sh*t. Moe... you of all people know better than to hand me an opening like that. Dipped In Sh*t (Corporeal) A Celestial suffering from this Discord manifests a covering of... well, you know... in all Vessels. Anyone coming within 10 yards of the sufferer must make a Strength roll at a penalty equal to the level of the Discord or be overcome with nausea. The slippery nature of the stuff also imposes a -1 penalty on all rolls involving manual dexterity. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:07 +1030 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... I always thought Beleth was based visually off Marlene Dietrich more. If you look at the title picture of Beleth in The Marches (page 28) she looks *very* much like Dietrich, in my opinion. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Unni Solaas" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: IN> I boggle... > This is probably old hat to anyone but me, but I just have to vent this > one. > > I was just sitting and reading the paper on the web, minding my own > business and relaxing. Then I nearly choked on my soda! Right there, on > top of an article about Marlene Dietrich was the picture of Andrealpus > from the Core Rulebook! > > I never knew that Andrea and Lili Marlene was one and the same... Wow. > > http://fredag.dagbladet.no/fredag/2002/11/06/353210.html > > > > -- > language, n; an intangible artificial construct for > obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. > -ppint. > > Unni Solaas - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry B." Subject: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite I'm in need of some advice. One of my players is playing a Kyriotate of Jean and he's REALLY bogging down the other players enjoyment of the game. He dominates (no pun intended) the game by spreading his Forces out among 9 different objects almost constantly, forcing me to keep constant track of where he is, eating up time and taking up my attention. I ran the Feast of Blades adventure from the GM Pack and he negated most of my use of the various NPCs(or at least the surprise factor) by keeping Forces on objects they were holding (or wearing) through the entire adventure as soon as he found out they were demons. (Although it was funny hearing the other players tease him mercilessly about possessing articles of clothing on the Lilim.) What I want to know is, is there anyway to shut one of these monsters down? He doesn't eat dissonance from having a non-living host destroyed or damaged and his hopping from object to object (he has a strong Will) is driving me nuts. ===== - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Free your mind, and your ass will follow". - George Clinton - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:13:18 -0500 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... > I never knew that Andrea and Lili Marlene was one and the same... Wow. > > http://fredag.dagbladet.no/fredag/2002/11/06/353210.html There have been a few of Smif's source pictures posted to the list as people run across them. I've also seen a link to (and have saved somewhere on my hard drive, but don't ask me exactly where) the source photo for the illustration of Lilith on p. 148 of the core rules. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:27:46 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite Force catcher. It's a relic in the Liber Reliquarum. It actually specifically mentions Kyriotates of Jean. If they try to possess an article of clothing or something close to the forcecatcher (looks like a bit of crystal) they get a perception roll. If they fail that, they get sucked in. If he actually tries to possess the forcecatcher, he automatically succeeds. Either way, he's trapped. Hand it off to a demonic NPC to teach the player to be wary of possessing demons. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:38:35 -0500 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) >My main problem with DETACHMENT is this: the process of conversion to >an Undead doesn't work (or at best produces a zombi, with the original >Celestial Forces, i.e. soul, elsewhere) unless the recipient understands >that they are acquiescing to a process which will destroy a soul which >otherwise would most likely have achieved an afterlife. The members of >DETACHMENT don't believe this -- they explicitly think people are being >captured, tortured and duplicated, not sent to Hell and rebound into demons. Well, the way I see it, they're just putting their own interpretation on the whole "Bind Souls into Undead Bodies" concept... They're just not making the cognitive leap towards thinking "Oh my God, this thing makes zombies!" What I'm suspecting, however, is that the MANSON eedee might've been on a special assignment to introduce to Project Silence a new kind of Zombification device which operates "in stealth" so that they won't be aware of just what those "immortals" are becoming until they have a good quantity of them in the field... Only thing I'm unsure of: Is there something that allows Demons of Death to assume control of an Undead, even if they didn't create it? If not, I may have something in mind... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:37:20 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite Hey, > What I want to know is, is there anyway to shut one of > these monsters down? He doesn't eat dissonance from > having a non-living host destroyed or damaged and his > hopping from object to object (he has a strong Will) > is driving me nuts. Two words: Force Catchers. Two more words: Bound Discord. :) Or have Jean hand him a device that he, and he alone, must take care of on Earth. Said device is, of course, a prime target for Thieves and Vapulans. That forces him to focus on the device and its protection. Also, he can't possess it, he can't use it, and no, he's not cleared to know what it does. And of course, if he screws up, Jean appears at the worst possible time, asking for the device and a status report. Wham, instant dissonance. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:37:20 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: IN> The Crusade Pt II: Councils of War -- new fic Hey, I'm on a roll. This one was easier to write than the first part. Part 3 is being worked on. :) http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools/stuff/crusade/councilsofwar.html Enjoy! ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:37:59 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Isn't it amazing what people will do for a Word..... >> Sicily OTOH, you just make the girls disappear, then have their clothing >> found stashed near the crater with blood stained knife. That'll get a lot of >> attention, very quickly. > > Vesuvius, however, does not fulfill the condition of being open. My bad. Perhaps I was thinking of Etna... [Checks atlas CD] Yes, Etna is on Sicily, Vesuvius is on the mainland near Naples. Of course, Vesuvius lies within the remains of Monte Somma, a much larger ancient volcano from the late Pleistocene Epoch, 1.7 million years ago. OTOH, Mount Etna is the highest active volcano in Europe, and it has been active since the end of the Tertiary Period, about 2 million years ago. But I'm wandering OT. I wasn't aware that they needed to be an open caldera to qualify as a Tether. A fire is not dead until the ashes are cold. > Besides which, the object is to pervert Tethers to Divine Fire, and > Vesuvius is rarely - if ever - seen as anything other than a font of > destruction, even without Infernal influences. Why should Divine Fire be safe? Especially considering Gabriel's "delicate sensibilities." I don't have a list of which volcanoes are Divine and which are Infernal. (Or Ethereal for that matter. Etna was the mythical location of the forge of Vulcan. Or was that Vesuvius?) Indeed, if the scheme is going to involve the Media, then more _famous_ the volcano the better. Mt Erebus is both obscure, difficult to reach for both loonies and camera crews, and a fake sacrifice there would be easily debunked. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:38:50 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Crowbar That Kneecapped Nancy Kerrigan > Seneschal: Oliyai, Shedite of Hardcore, Neuman! I thought it would be Media, what with all the fuss they made... > Furfur's a minor Prince, and likely the first thing he would have > done is found Oliyai, co-opted it, and made it the Seneschal Oh. Was this a hijacking? Guess that's why we don't hear any more about... what was that other skater's name again? Damn but the Media's good at that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:56:08 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Making "Deep" Characters Hey, this is my first post to the list, so bear with me; My In Nomine group partially broke up when about half of us went to college, and the rest of us were busy with work, school, etc., so I introduced it to some of my friends at school, all of which liked it very much. Most of them had played D&D, although most of it was very light on roleplaying, mostly "go into the dungeon and do what you're supposed to" style. They all liked In Nomine a lot, and didn't do too bad (except for one person who's playing a Combat Monster Malakite of War...getting him to roleplay is like pulling teeth with a twist tie...) In fact, they liked it so much that they talked about it to a bunch of more people, many of whom ALSO wanted to play, rougly doubling our group. Not all of them have played yet (although they're in the process of making character.) Now a couple people from my old group, both of whom are excellent roleplayers, want to play with us. They played a session with two of our current players. Both of them felt forced to take a "back seat" because they weren't as good at roleplaying and felt very overwhelmed, and both of them had not only played before, but were also veteran D&Ders; but then again, D&D is no In Nomine. In about a week I'm going to try to organize our first big group session; a person from my old group is GMing, and we have about nine(!) players, two of which have never played a roleplaying game before, and four of which have never played In Nomine before. Can anyone give me advice to give them on making deep characters that can be roleplayed well? They all know the concepts and character types, but I want to make sure they can roleplay well. As of now, our group is-- Me, and Elohite of Fire (I have a fairly good idea of how to roleplay him) The aforementioned Malakite of War Combat Monster (He IS going to roleplay dammit!) A Soldier of God who is my character's servant (The players has never played a roleplaying game before, but I think she has potential) A Karyiotate of Janus (The player has played a little D&D, and I think he has an OK idea, but I have a feeling he'll be the group clown which may be disruptive) A free Lilim (Another one who has never played a roleplaying game, I'm not 100% sure how she'll do) A Seraph of Fire quasi-combat monster (He's played one session before, but not as this character; he might need some work, because all he's really told me about his character is that he kills pimps and politicians, which is what's listed under Gabriel's Seraph attunement...) An Outcast Ofanite, former servitor of Jean (He's played one session before, I think he has a fairly good idea of what's going in) A Mercurian of Blandine (He's played a couple sessions, he's one of the better players, but was VERY overwhelmed at how much the older players are into roleplaying) and the member of my old group, who I think is playing a Cherub of Janus... A group this large with this many newbies seems somewhat cumbersome...I'm just glad I'm not GMing this one...does anyone have any advice for how to break the newcomers in? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:40:13 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite >and he negated most of my use of the various NPCs(or >at least the surprise factor) by keeping Forces on >objects they were holding (or wearing) through the >entire adventure as soon as he found out they were >demons. >What I want to know is, is there anyway to shut one of >these monsters down? Force Catchers. [nods] If he's possessing items belonging to demons especially, and even more so if they'd know a Kyrio's around. Clothes are unlikely, but, say, an earring...Or Vaputech or other infernal Relics might play havoc with the resonance... Alternately, maybe set a time limit for things? Say, he can only possess for a certain length of time, *and* he can't come back to that object for 24 hours? So if you assume, say, six minutes in any given object and ten to twenty possessable objects on a person's body, he's got to leave entirely after an hour or two. Then, of course, if the target drops Vessel at any point, any objects actually *on* the Vessel are lost, meaning the Kyrio's out of a host. And let's not forget that he's spread *very* thin if he's using all nine on nine seperate objects at any given time...if he has to possess a human or multiple-Force animal for some reason, he's in trouble. And he can't go celestial or to Heaven/the Marches without freeing up at least three Forces (IIRC), and then he's *still* got 'lagtime'... If he's getting to be too much, have Jean put him on an assignment where he *needs* to keep a good chunk of himself 'together', or give him orders to keep part of himself in the nearest Lightning-Tether/with another PC or multiple PCs for whatever reason... ...or, maybe, get him stuck with the Bound Discord at some point - either first dissonance, or a punishment, or something. ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's cold, and it's hard, but it's true. Pain is a necessity for change. Fire purifies." David 'black dub' Brothers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:43:40 -0500 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> New Songs for Saminga Just got an inspiration for new Songs straight from Abaddon, curtosy of the Prince of Death's personal research... Undeath These songs are recent discoveries of Saminga, and are now being taught freely to his Servitors. Few outside of his Servitors know these Songs. All except Celestial have a Duration of CD Hours. Corporeal - This song allows the Performer to enhance the physical abilities of a single Undead. The Undead will have it's Strength and Agility improved by the amount of Essence spent. Ethereal - This song allows the Performer to impose his will upon a number of Undead equal to the amount of Essence spent. The Undead subjects must make a Will roll at a penalty equal to the Performer's Ethereal Forces, or else he will obey all the Demon's orders until the Song's Duration ends. Celestial - Upon singing this song before a single Undead subject, The performer creates a sample item of The Undead's need (A cup of blood, a human liver, etc). This specially created item, when consumed by that Undead (And only ~that~ Undead), will sustain his Need for a duration of CD days before he needs to meet it again. Bonus: Death Available: Saminga Essence Requirment: 1 Degree of Disturbance: The Check Digit plus the Undead's total forces. Death These special Songs are Saminga's pet project into The Word of Death, and he's been spending all his free time trying to find these songs, whom he intrusts only to those Servitors whom he sees as truly Loyal to Death (read: as crazy as he is). Thus far, he's only been able to find the Corporeal Version, but he's currently doing a lot of research in the Marches in an attempt to discover the Ethereal version, mainly by dissecting Ethereals until they come apart at the Forces. To those few who're aware of Saminga's research, the implications of Saminga's future research into the Celestial version are somewhat disturbing... Saminga already claims that Death is the Ultimate Evil; once he masters the Songs of Death, will he try to back this claim over Lucifer's dead body? Corporeal Song of Death: The performer can focus the power of this song to bring a single corporeal being's life to an end, or to send a Celestial into Trauma via Vessel Death, provided the Victim fails a Will roll; This costs 1 Essence per total Forces the Victim has: It costs 2 Essence to kill a cat, 4 to kill a big dog, 5 to kill a mundane human, 6 to kill a starting soldier, 9 to kill a newly fledged Celestial, etc. If the Performer doesn't have the Essence to match the Victim's, then the Song fails. Thus far, Saminga hasn't tried it on another Superior. Bonus: Death Available: Saminga Essence Requirment: 1 per Victim's total Forces Degree of Disturbance: Check Digit plus Total Essence spent. Ethereal Song of Death: Hasn't been discovered yet, but early results from Saminga's research suggest that once it would allow the Performer to slay Ethereals much like the Corporeal Song can kill Organic life. Celestial Song of Death: Saminga hasn't even begun researching this song, but speculators believe it would allow the Performer to reduce Celestials into mere Ramnants (or scatter their forces if without Vessels). Needless to say, those Superiors who are aware of Saminga's Research project are starting to consider whether or not Saminga isn't becoming too big a risk for everyone... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:08:29 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) From: "Maurice Lane" > > Just what did you think 'captured Faction MANSON > equipment' was, anyway? :) I wondered if it was something of Furfur's, actually. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:09:15 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I boggle... From: "Maurice Lane" > > I will be dipped in sh*t. Only f Belial catches up to you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 04:07:58 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Making "Deep" Characters well, first of all. Im new to the list as well, so greetings. Could you give us a little more info on these characters. Give us a few points and quirks that they have. Or, maybe a brief blurb on the characters history, motives, maybe a character sheet? Cheers Mallakai JC >Me, and Elohite of Fire (I have a fairly good idea of how to roleplay him) >The aforementioned Malakite of War Combat Monster (He IS going to roleplay >dammit!) >A Soldier of God who is my character's servant (The players has never >played >a roleplaying game before, but I think she has potential) >A Karyiotate of Janus (The player has played a little D&D, and I think he >has an OK idea, but I have a feeling he'll be the group clown which may be >disruptive) >A free Lilim (Another one who has never played a roleplaying game, I'm not >100% sure how she'll do) >A Seraph of Fire quasi-combat monster (He's played one session before, but >not as this character; he might need some work, because all he's really >told >me about his character is that he kills pimps and politicians, which is >what's listed under Gabriel's Seraph attunement...) >An Outcast Ofanite, former servitor of Jean (He's played one session >before, >I think he has a fairly good idea of what's going in) >A Mercurian of Blandine (He's played a couple sessions, he's one of the >better players, but was VERY overwhelmed at how much the older players are >into roleplaying) > >and the member of my old group, who I think is playing a Cherub of Janus... > >A group this large with this many newbies seems somewhat cumbersome...I'm >just glad I'm not GMing this one...does anyone have any advice for how to >break the newcomers in? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:40:11 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) - --- Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > > > > Just what did you think 'captured Faction MANSON > > equipment' was, anyway? :) > > I wondered if it was something of Furfur's, actually. No, then it would be 'captured Faction ANIMAL equipment'. ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:15:52 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence: DETACHMENT (Not from Mr. Cleveland...) >> > >> > Just what did you think 'captured Faction MANSON >> > equipment' was, anyway? :) >> >> I wondered if it was something of Furfur's, >actually. > >No, then it would be 'captured Faction ANIMAL >equipment'. > h aha aha hah aha hH AH AH AH AHAH AH AHAH A HA! That... that fits... that actually fits... h AH AA HHA HA! Hmmm... Asmodeus as Miss Piggy Kobal as Gonzo Haagenti as the Swedish Chef Nybbas as Kermit T. Frog And my imagination runs out. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:23:29 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Kryptonite If he wants to keep track of the same demon for more than a few minutes, he has to switch from one object the demon's carrying to another one. Now, demons may be less perceptive than angels, but they're still pretty sharp, and a Kyriotate switching objects is going to have to take celestial form briefly, exposing himself to view. That should expose him pretty much immediately. Now the demons know where he is, and have a few options -- attack his host to destroy it and drive him away, pretend they haven't noticed and feed him false information, or trap him and attack him in a more lethal fashion. William ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2851 ********************************