in_nomine-digest Monday, October 7 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2806 In this digest: IN> Very sad fic Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim Re: IN> Lilim and stuff Re: IN> Lilim and stuff Re: IN> The Tofu Zombi Squad RE: IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn Re: IN> Barbie, Mercurian Angel of Entertainment Re: IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn Re: IN> Barbie, Mercurian Angel of Entertainment Re: IN> New Bands II Re: IN> The Tofu Zombi Squad IN> One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn Re: IN> New Bands Re: IN> Word-bound reliever Re: IN> New Bands IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> New Bands II Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> New Bands II Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 13:33:59 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Very sad fic http://www.islagiatt.org/Allamagoosa/stories/IN/GTG/GTG1.htm ;:;) I've read it before, and I liked it lots ^o^ thanks ;D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:09:47 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim >>> B) the apparent assumption that Malakim start out around 15 Forces >>> >> I think their >> combat prowess simply comes from their suicidal tendenices (When it comes to >> demon-slaying) and their immunity to Trauma. > >Say, I've been meaning to ask, what _is_ the average turn around time for a >Vessel killed Malakite? Well, if he has another Vessel handy (many do), it's a few seconds before he can descend from his Heart and jump right back in to combat. If he doesn't, then considering that most Malakim probably lose their Vessels doing what they're supposed to do -- fight demons -- the average Archangel is reasonable about replacing it immediately, without having to pay point costs for a new Vessel. (In a sense, the Vessel advantage for Malakim would be the privilege of having a Vessel rather than the object itself.) On the other hand, if he's losing hem *too* frequently (or lost it through incompetence) his boss might decide that the energy needed to create those Vessels could be better spent on a warrior that wouldn't need them replaced so often. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:19 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Lilim and stuff In article , bpetery@yahoo.com (BC Petery) wrote: > My objection to offering Bright Resonances is that you are _offering_ > Brights a perk for joining your side. It seems foolish not to find a way to enhance their natural capabilities in the service of one's Word, if such is practical. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:57:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Lilim and stuff On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 04:19 PM, John Dallman wrote: > In article , bpetery@yahoo.com (BC > Petery) wrote: > >> My objection to offering Bright Resonances is that you are _offering_ >> Brights a perk for joining your side. > > It seems foolish not to find a way to enhance their natural > capabilities > in the service of one's Word, if such is practical. > H'okay, have we all stated all sides of this clearly enough yet? Seriously, we're into dead-horse-beating now, and that only serves to make sore muscles and leather. Shall we call this topic dead and move on? - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:29:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Tofu Zombi Squad [sigh] And I suppose that they have an aquatic equivalent... "It came from beneath the waves... the Creature of Black Licorice!" =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn - --- Michael Bruner wrote: > the > joy of Heaven requires the suffering of those in Hell to > fuel it (maybe the > Princes AREN'T collecting most of the Essence from the > souls there...). Or > if you take the "they're both the same place" tack and > the Damned just > aren't visibly present in human form, little elements of > horror like the > grass giving tiny unheard screams as Christopher's > children run over it > playing, Michael's troops training on disturbingly > realistic combat > dummies, or Jean powering his labs in a manner similar to > the Matrix could make Heaven a truly creepy place Eeeewwwwwww... Mike, I do believe that you've formulated the ultimate Backwards IN setting. [hands over daily Essence] =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 18:28:07 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn *sniping of utter evilness* > > Eeeewwwwwww... Mike, I do believe that you've formulated > the ultimate Backwards IN setting. > > [hands over daily Essence] Gah! I didn't catch this one earlier... this is quite an intriguing and very Dark idea. I like it... *imagines souls being the fuel for the Volcano, prey for Jordi's predators, and other evils* well, I'll hand over my Essence :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:32:01 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Barbie, Mercurian Angel of Entertainment > Thanks to Cameron for inspiring me with the idea of an Ethereal Barbie. Thanks....I think. *ponder* Seriously, nicely written little piece. Might want to give her the Corporeal Song of Form so she can look like any ethnic group. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:05:19 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> New Bands II Awesome! Thanks for the others! *showers with essence and thanks* Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:10:00 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Tofu Zombi Squad > [sigh] And I suppose that they have an aquatic > equivalent... > > "It came from beneath the waves... the Creature of Black Licorice!" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! lol =) Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:34:21 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie So, I'm talking to my friend Mason, and we're talking about the whole "should Bright Lilim have Attunements" question. And he says something that so help me I can't argue with. Which is not to say others wouldn't be able to, mind, so that's not a challenge. "Well, of course they'd have Bright Lilim Attunements. As soon as they got a Bright Lilim, they'd want access to the Lilim resonance, like all the other choir resonances they've made attunements for." This makes extremely good sense, or alternately (if a GM decides they can't have the Bright Resonance despite being Superiors) means making Bright Attunements is actually impossible. As it was actually different than anything else people have mentioned, I thought I'd pass it along. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:39:08 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Where the Darkness Knows No Dawn > Hell in this case would literally be just a > perspective shift away from Heaven, with the demons being those > unfortunates who discovered the truth and were cast down to keep them from > telling the rest of Heaven about it. The emanations of the Holy of Lightbulb(tm) as a transformation ray. Only those who can see the FNORD (as opposed to the Holy Truth(tm)) are capable of resisting these perception warping emanations. ...slipping into Heaven, the latest Vapulan Soul Catcher (Liberator MkVII) clutched in your teeth... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Bands My comments, which I know you were anticipating: - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > SRAFHIM, THE ERASERS > The resonance for a Sraf is a lesser form of oblivion and > erasure of the > truth. They can remove the Truth from the Symphony to a > small degree, and > only for a limited time. They take the truth and hide it > deep within their > personal symphony, until it at last breaks out again. Does the truth removal have a limited area of effect? If not, it's the most powerful Resonance in existence. One Sraf could Resonate on the Truth that "God is good" and cause a large portion of the Host to Fall. It would certainly cause Malakim headaches. In fact, a Sraf who discovered a Malakite's Oaths could make the angel forget them. Whether this would temporarily remove the Dissonance condition or simply make the Blackwing unaware of his Oaths is a GM call. > EFREETS, THE ABUSERS Ewww. Nice work. I see that the Celestial form was influenced by Lovecraft. > KIROBIM, THE ISOLATORS Barely playable, these. Their Resonance also seems like a watered-down version of the Habbalite Resonance; revulsion is certainly within the Punishers' repetoire. > MAHANIM, THE FROZEN > The resonance of a Mahanite is for slowing and stopping > things, until they > cannot act any longer. Divide the Agility of their target > by the CD rolled. > If a one is rolled for CD, then the resonance has no > effect. How about a penalty of -1 to Agility instead? That way a successful Resonance roll with CD 1 isn't the same as a failure. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:17:55 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> Word-bound reliever Sure there is! Most pitchers start out as relievers before they become full-fledged starters (which is where the real money is!) At 12:25 AM 10/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, but there's no metaphor that stretches from "unfledged angel" to >"baseball pitcher", now is there? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:56:33 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New Bands > Does the truth removal have a limited area of effect? If > not, it's the most powerful Resonance in existence. One > Sraf could Resonate on the Truth that "God is good" and > cause a large portion of the Host to Fall. It would > certainly cause Malakim headaches. In fact, a Sraf who > discovered a Malakite's Oaths could make the angel forget > them. Whether this would temporarily remove the Dissonance > condition or simply make the Blackwing unaware of his Oaths > is a GM call. I've looked over the resonance and realized this, and I'm still trying to work it out. I'm thinking it may only affect the person resonated, but remember, it won't make them think the opposite, only forget the Truth. If you resonated an angel to make them not recall that "God is good" (which may be an ineffable thing depending on your game!) then the angel would simply forget this fact. As for a Malakite, he would still act upon his oaths, but he won't be able to remember exactly why. This resonance is far more useful for ruining moments where memory is necessary, or making people look foolish. But as for an area affect, I think I'll change it to just the person affected, or just everyone in the Sraf's immediate area. > >> EFREETS, THE ABUSERS > > Ewww. Nice work. I see that the Celestial form was > influenced by Lovecraft. I love me Lovecraft :D > >> KIROBIM, THE ISOLATORS > > Barely playable, these. Their Resonance also seems like > a watered-down version of the Habbalite Resonance; > revulsion is certainly within the Punishers' repetoire. Yeah, I should have noted that these would be a much better Minor Band or NPC Band (which all of these are kinda), and not good for PC's. They're deadly against Mercurians and Impudites though, and cause chaos for Stone or Destiny angels and their charges. And it's not mere revulsion, it's a very deep-seated feeling of isolation and desire to be alone, it seprerates the souls existence from the Symphony a little, until all they want is to be alone and free of responsibility. > >> MAHANIM, THE FROZEN >> The resonance of a Mahanite is for slowing and stopping >> things, until they >> cannot act any longer. Divide the Agility of their target >> by the CD rolled. >> If a one is rolled for CD, then the resonance has no >> effect. > > How about a penalty of -1 to Agility instead? That way a > successful Resonance roll with CD 1 isn't the same as a failure. Yeah, I thought of that orginally, but I had nixed it for fear of repeate abuse, until I added the "cannot resonate again until target back at full Agility" clause. A CD of 1 will reduce Agility by one point. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:34:29 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: IN> An appropriate punishment? Hey there, Me again, looking for some more advice. (Part of the problem is that my group is VERY good at coming up with the improbable solutions and doing end runs around the GM. It's all legal, but at the same time, it's impossible to prepare for every contingency with these guys.) Anyway... We're playing the adventure in Night Music. More specifically, we're still in the "Things to do if you're a celestial..." section. The plot hook I used to get the group to Austin was the Tokamak reactor subplot, in which I instructed them to take it out of commission in a quiet and discreet manor. To the group's credit, they actually managed to get themselves in the system as university faculty and infiltrated the facility that way (along with a little itty bitty bit of help with the Song of Charm.) It's HOW they took it out that has me baffled as to what repercussions, if any, there should be. Without getting into too much detail, the "takedown" entailed about 5 hours (IC, not real-time) of examining theoretical and actual details of the reactor, it's construction, fail-safes, security precautions, etc etc. One of the players actually got real data and some photographs of a different Tokamak to use as a starting point. (I should also mention that my Ofanite of Lightning stacked up on computer, engineering and electronics skills.) The takedown itself went down sometime between 2 and 5 am, when they convinced the on-duty lab assistant that it was his break time and that these 4 faculty members, all experts on the reactor, would be fine for an hour. The job itself involved the purposeful override of failsafes and safety cut-outs (he made all the requisite rolls), shutting off the coolant and a communal casting of the Corporeal Song of Shields around the reactor with a full hour's preparation time. Needless to say, because they did it themselves rather than having mortals do it, there was a symphonic disturbance. Due to the sheer size of the thing, as well as the force of the meltdown, I think I simply rolled 13d6 for Disturbance. At least they took several precautions to ensure the safety of the rest of the building as well as the human population. So much for discretion. There are 2 basic issues: first, the MASSIVE disturbance means that pretty much every celestial in Austin knows something went down, and most probably know what it was. Secondly, the lab assistant can identify them. So I guess the question is, do I punish them, reward them, ostracize them, have them sent to jail (if they can be caught)...? They made the mistake of leaving a witness who can positively identify them. Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:41:16 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments This might be a little esoteric, but I suppose it'd be safe to assume that... Dominic wears briefs Jordi prefers boxers At 03:20 PM 10/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Reading a slightly older thread, I got bored and got around to thinking >about what Superiors would wear for their undergarments... >Novalis loves her bloomers >Litheroy just has to wear see-through ones >Uriel was always a fan of tighty-whities >Blandine's wearing the chastity belt >-Laurence- is wearing the chastity belt (just think of it o_o;) >And Micahel... well, you didn't hear it from me, but word has it he likes >to go commando >Just an amusing exercise :D >--- >Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:57:43 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? At 09:34 AM 10/7/2002 -0500, Joe Reimers wrote: >There are 2 basic issues: first, the MASSIVE disturbance means that pretty >much every celestial in Austin knows something went down, and most >probably know what it was. Secondly, the lab assistant can identify >them. So I guess the question is, do I punish them, reward them, >ostracize them, have them sent to jail (if they can be caught)...? They >made the mistake of leaving a witness who can positively identify them. Did they remember to cut the video surveillance? (PCs never remember to cut the video surveillance. In fact, our Saturday group could probably get in a lot of trouble for that, although Eric's quick thinking might have spared us that agony.) If they did, then all the plant has is the word of the technician that these four guys convinced him to go on break, and when he came back, the reactor was gone. The worst for which they can probably be held accountable is criminal negligence. If not - well, now the plant has video evidence to back up the technician's claim, and can prosecute for willful destruction of property and - possibly - reckless endangerment and attempted murder (since without the Song of Shields, the meltdown would probably have irradiated a large chunk of the Austin landscape). At that point, it's really a matter of how much jail time each of them should be doing. (This should range anywhere from six months for the least of charges to 20+ years on the largest.) Do they have Roles? This'll ruin them, especially if (as you implied) they're University faculty; sitting in a Texas jail isn't doing your job, and if these four are going to blow up reactors, can they really be trusted around students? (In fact, this is a good plot hook; they've effectively ruined the university for the next several years as well, since parents aren't going to want to send their children to a school where the faculty cause reactor meltdowns.) Escape really isn't an option either; for one thing, it's a bad idea to go celestial in a monitored environment if you don't want to blow your cover, and for another, an escape means that the character who does so is now either a) down a vessel, or b) a wanted felon. So the PCs are sitting in jail, waiting to be let out, wondering how they're going to explain this. It's a great opportunity for them to make underworld contacts, and if one of the characters serves the Wind, he's going to be angling for a Fall if he can't get out of the prison. Which is when you have the Lilim and the Calabite, who just happen to be in the neighborhood, break into the jail and "rescue" the hapless PCs - for a price, of course... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:56:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Joe Reimers wrote: > This might be a little esoteric, but I suppose it'd be safe to assume that... > Dominic wears briefs > Jordi prefers boxers David also goes commando (he taught this to Michael) Yves wears a smile Marc perfers his Calvin Kleins Janus uses spandex cycle shorts Eli ... don't ask - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:10:53 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? This is one of those cases where stupidity would normally be a capital offense. They should be shunned by the angels in Austin at the very least, facing possible Outcasting or being yanked up to Heaven if they don't get jail time and their Roles are pretty much gone at this point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:06:34 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments >This might be a little esoteric, but I suppose it'd be safe to assume that... >Dominic wears briefs >Jordi prefers boxers > What... box turtles? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:15:27 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Boxers are also a breed of dog, I believe. At 01:06 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >This might be a little esoteric, but I suppose it'd be safe to assume >that... > >Dominic wears briefs > >Jordi prefers boxers > > > > >What... box turtles? > > >Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Well, now. That was an interesting snafu. How to deal with it, hmmm... 1) Their respective AA's will NOT be happy. Brownie points for accomplishing the mission are pretty much cancelled out by failing the "discreet" part. The fact that they took so many precautions to prevent collateral damage should count for something, though. 2) Their AA's will probably cover for them as far as jail time is concerned -- but they shouldn't know that until after the verdict is delivered. };> 3) Once the other Celestials in town know who's responsible for that massive Disturbance, the PC's will likely get a visit from the other angels in town. The more experienced Austinite angels will want to explain to the newbies what protecting the treaty is all about. Some of them might even be gentle about it. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Bands II - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > HAVIM, THE POLTERGEISTS I like. 0:> > VILODIM, THE MURDERERS Their Resonance seems to be a limited version of what Skulkers get. There's also the problem that the Impudite Princes would tend to look the other way when a Vilod was killed by one of their Servitors. > FALLEN GRIGORI II, THE MUTERS > Muters are all deaf to disturbance, except for Superior > level kinds. They > can extend this deafness to their Celestial Forces in > other celestials, for > a duration equal to their check digit in hours. They get > dissonant if they > make disturbance, and it is heard by other celestials, > with one note of > dissonance for each celestial that heard them. That Dissonance condition is work for a GM to adjudicate. How do you decide how many other Celestials are in the area? That has to be done before you can apply the Dissonance. It also has a munchkin factor; if a Muter causes a localized Disturbance where he can see everyone in the area of effect, he knows how many of those people are Celestials. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:23:00 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments At 01:06 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, Josh Moger wrote: > >Jordi prefers boxers > >What... box turtles? It's a breed of dog. ObIN: http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=etherjammer&itemid=2040#cutid1 - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:26:16 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New Bands II >> HAVIM, THE POLTERGEISTS > > I like. 0:> > >> VILODIM, THE MURDERERS > > Their Resonance seems to be a limited version of what > Skulkers get. There's also the problem that the Impudite > Princes would tend to look the other way when a Vilod was > killed by one of their Servitors. Wel, these guys are meant to be as rare as Skulkers are, so Servitors hunting them down isn't that big of a deal. Saminga would love them and protect them, as would Alaemon and a few other Princes. But Impudites like Andy and Nybbas would just give them the cold shoulder and look away. Other Princes would just use them like normal tools. Unlike Skulkers though, these guys can -prevent- a disturbance. Skulkers can cut down and hide disturbance, but not erase it, these guys can mute one of the lodest acts in the Symphony, and even get some Essence out of it. They are very specialized in this respect, but that was intentional. Think of them like a proto-assassin Band... though some changes may be made. Remember, they can -prevent- the disturbance (over 10 points per murder!) and not just cut it down or mask it. > >> FALLEN GRIGORI II, THE MUTERS >> Muters are all deaf to disturbance, except for Superior >> level kinds. They >> can extend this deafness to their Celestial Forces in >> other celestials, for >> a duration equal to their check digit in hours. They get >> dissonant if they >> make disturbance, and it is heard by other celestials, >> with one note of >> dissonance for each celestial that heard them. > > That Dissonance condition is work for a GM to adjudicate. > How do you decide how many other Celestials are in the > area? That has to be done before you can apply the > Dissonance. It also has a munchkin factor; if a Muter > causes a localized Disturbance where he can see everyone in > the area of effect, he knows how many of those people are Celestials. Yes... I want to work these guys out a lot more. I've considered changing it to :everyone in the Muters sight" for their resonance, so they just refelxively make others deaf, confusing PC's who can hear the Symphony when they suddenly can't hear things. As for dissonance, I'm having trouble. If I make it so that they get dissonant everytime they made disturbance, then they'll soon be Discordant wrecks. Maybe 1 point of dissonance for any disturbance over 5 points... so they stay quiet... --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:06:43 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Wow. It sounds like your players really worked on it.. only the last part of their plan fell apart. Depending on how bright or dark or strict your game is: * The Angels are destroyed. * The Angels are punished by having things (attunements, distinctions, relics, vessels) taken away. * The Angels are reprimanded. * The Angels are publically reprimanded, but privately rewarded for their ingenuity. * The Angels are rewarded. The only thing that went wrong was the disturbance and all that messed up was some treasonous "treaty", anyway. Why should any self-respecting Archangel give a damn about it, I say. I'd go with the 4th choice. Their boss is probably happy with how well they did and upset with the disturbance, so reprimand them and reward them with a nod and a wink. Then have the mortal authorities come running to give 'em hell -- put out FBI Most Wanted, since they are probably being taken for terrorists now. This is their "punishment". They made the mess, let them get themselves out of it. Also, assign an Angel of Judgement to the town to keep an eye on them. That'll confuse things, since the watcher will no doubt dislike the arrangement in the city immensely. Finally, the angels and demons in town will be angry that their cozy little setup was ruined and will either want the characters to fix it or will want the characters gone. Ben ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2806 ********************************