in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2798 In this digest: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> The Event IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Paradoxes Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... IN> Bright Lilim IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22The=20War=22.?= Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> New Media Attunement IN> Adventure Ideas III. Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> New Media Attunement Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22The=20War=22.?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:13:28 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword > Flowers to try to talk them down if possible. _Now_ we know why there are Malakim of Flowers. ;> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:28:23 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Event > Ain't too fond of them, myself... although playing a > _Bright_ Lilim of the Sword was fun, fun, FUN. :) What do you mean *was*? I hope you don't think you aren't playing her again... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:56:58 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Event > So what happens if the Tight-Assed IN (TAIN) meets the Profoundly Silly IN > (PSIN)? And let's not forget about Earth 3, where the supervillians ran the show. INBackwards! Will the Angels from TAIN & PSIN align with the Demons of INB? Will they be totaly confused? Will they try to avoid the situation altogether? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:02:33 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> The Event What I *do* think is that Bright Lilim are so incredibly rare that I'm reluctant to allow them as PCs. (What Superior fortunate enough to have a Bright Lilim working for him or her is going to waste such a resource, or put such a resource in danger, by sending her to Earth?) > >(As a GM, of course I could think of some reason why a Bright Lilim PC just *has* to go on Earth duty, but I think it's extremely unlikely.) > > >Janet Anderson I think the rarity of Bright Lilim is probably another facet of the two world split, with PSIN having probably as many Bright Lilim per AA as TAIN has Bright Lilim in all. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:46:38 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day At 09:25 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, Eric Bertish wrote: >Give him the car's weight in Anime DVDs. That would probably work, yes. >If that doesn't work, break out the kawaii shoujo in sailor uniforms... Hmm. Stealing this idea, thank you... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Event - --- BC Petery wrote: > So what happens if the Tight-Assed IN (TAIN) meets the > Profoundly Silly IN (PSIN)? You get PTAIN, silly. };> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:56:04 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". From: "Harukami" > > For now, they spend time with the only other who can understand. Very nice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:08:52 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, But I do have ONE on hand that I've gotten fairly polished and that I suppose /vaguely/ relates to recent topics (only not at all, really. It's just a short mood piece, mind. Thanks for posting it!!!!! *enjoys story* (As for the Michael Wedding fic, that is all the fault of MegaHAL and those of you who've heard of it will thus be cringing. And it's not finished enough to post yet, though I appreciate the interest!) Still looking forward to it...this was a fantastic read! For now, they spend time with the only other who can understand. *Applauds, throws Essences* Thank you very very much! I enjoyed this story and it had a nice 'last time' feel to it. Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:32:33 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... >--- Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> (Josh is clearly inspirational. This must be some kind of >> attunement. > > Well, yes. > >Inspiration (Creation) > The holder of this Attunement is able to drive others >into creative frenzy. The muse must first produce a work >of art in any medium and invest Essence into it. The first >(Essence spent) people to view the piece must make Will >rolls at a penalty equal to the muse's Celestial Forces. >Anyone who fails must immediately go out and produce a >piece of art in the same medium to the best of his or her ability. > >===== ::blink:: Josh Petitioner for ^_^' currently IST Creation (so it would seem...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:41:43 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... >--- Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> (Josh is clearly inspirational. This must be some kind of >> attunement. > > Well, yes. > >Inspiration (Creation) You know, the funny thing is, I was sure no one would post a response. ::shaking head:: Gotta stop setting myself up to be whacked by the Demon of Irony. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:48:20 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... At 05:54 AM 10/3/2002 -0700, Michael Walton wrote: >Inspiration (Creation) Yes, but Desperation (Nightmares) The holder of this attunement is able to drive others to despair. He must first create a work of art in any medium and invest Essence into it; the first (Essence spent) people to view the piece must make Will rolls, at a penalty equal to the muse's Celestial Forces. Anyone who fails will feel as though they could never possibly produce anything this good (regardless of the quality of the original work) and that they should just stop trying; this lasts for a number of days equal to the check digit of the failed Will roll. - -EDG ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:50:29 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Bright Lilim > Not all Superiors might agree. Some of the more idealistic Superiors might not be able to get past the "they should serve Heaven for the sake of serving Heaven" mindset. > In my opinion, this isn't a mindset, it's a statement of fact, mentioned (I believe) in descriptions of redemptions and why they fail. A demon whose reasons for redeeming are not completely unselfish has a smaller chance of surviving the process. (And, although I don't remember this in the book, a greater chance of Falling again.) And this would be *especially* true of Lilim. I note that the nickname for Bright Lilim is "Gifters," which is a nice name for those who have gotten well out of the "I won't do anything for you unless you do something for me" mindset. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:54:32 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> New Media Attunement I'm with the Band This Attunement is given by Nybbas to Soldiers who serve his Word and lack connections to get into certain places. With the expenditure of two Essence, the person can persuade anyone nearby that he is *SOMEONE IMPORTANT* and that he is allowed to be there. The target number is Fast Talk + Celestial Forces. With a successful roll, the person using this Attunement is allowed in to the area he's being kept out of. The effect last for (Check digit)hours, which is usually spent mingling with guests and reinforcing the notion that he belongs there. It seems like an odd Attunement to give Soldiers; after all, Nybbas only hires Soldiers who work in the entertainment industry. But in an effort to keep the opposition guessing, he likes sending people into areas that they wouldn't normally be seen at such as a rock star trying to get into an actor's room backstage or a television producer sneaking into a record release party. This Attunement saves Nybbas the trouble of using a demon and gives the Soldier a chance to prove how crafty he can be at blending in at parties and acquiring information. After all, being sneaky and infiltration is good entertainment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:18:42 -0400 From: Matthew Gerber Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement On 10/3/02 9:54 AM, "Cameron McCurry" wrote: > I'm with the Band *Gah.* Speaking as someone who researches computer security and security in general, what makes this Attunement really scary is how well I know this sort of thing works *in real life.* It's really quite terrifying how many places you can go and never be challenged if you just dress well, act comfortable and confident, and move and speak as though you have every right in the world to be there. There's been a good deal of research done on the subject--poke around the Web for it, if you feel like you don't have enough reasons for insomnia. Personally, I think this Attunement is actually more suited to The Game, Theft, and/or Wind than to Media. If you're using "Spymaster Marc", it would work well for Trade too. Very well done, Cameron. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:14:07 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword > Yeah, okay, or you could do a wonderfully detailed, extensive, and rather > well written writeup taking the idea to an excellent conclusion while > inserting nuances of multiple Word relationships and friendships. > > Rassi frassin... > > > Nice. Aw ^^; thanks. I dunno, it's okay. I just got this image stuck in my head and I wanted to write it out. Maybe I'll make a write-up about it. > > > Josh > Who hopes to maybe be able to parley the recent few days into the Word of > ^_^', since it is a subset of Inspiration... kinda. > --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:18:40 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... > "If I even -see- a pair of handcuffs and a tub of shoe > polish I'm going to kick your demonic ass all the way > back to the Pit." > > "Damn. There goes the opening act." > *rolls around on the floor laughing* XD Moe, that was classic. Laurentine porn? Ay... --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> The Event > I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright > Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? I dunno, why doy you think that? It wouldn't make much sense to have a Choir in Heaven not have an attunement. I mean, Minor Choirs get them even, why not Bright Lilim? --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:21:29 +0000 From: glasgowc1@attbi.com Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement > On 10/3/02 9:54 AM, "Cameron McCurry" wrote: > > > I'm with the Band > > *Gah.* > > Speaking as someone who researches computer security and security in > general, what makes this Attunement really scary is how well I know this > sort of thing works *in real life.* It's really quite terrifying how many > places you can go and never be challenged if you just dress well, act > comfortable and confident, and move and speak as though you have every right > in the world to be there. Personal anecdote -- After '97 Skate America, I gate- crashed a US Figure Skating Association post-event function simply by wearing my good suit and dress shoes and hanging around outside the hotel lobby's door (which required key-card access to get through) until one of the skaters came out to take a smoke break... and then just walked in the door right behind him. If you dress right, move right, and above all else *move as part of a group*, you can sleaze right past a lot of security. Guards tend to question those targets who either send "Don't fit in" signals or are moving around alone. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:23:26 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22The=20War=22.?= now, they spend time with the only other who can understand. > This was touching... I like how grimy and sad and dark everything seemed... good job. I look forward to other stuff you have written. Inspires me to try my hand at writing again :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:32:37 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... At 09:18 AM 10/3/2002 -0600, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >*rolls around on the floor laughing* XD >Moe, that was classic. Laurentine porn? Ay... The disturbing thing is that he *has* some. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:30:44 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> The Event > Er, I don't see the logic of your statement there, David. Of course, it > was probably more of an excuse for some gratuitous 'Bright Lilim Lovers' > bashing than anything. Anyways, it seems to me... > > A) Every Choir has a specific Choir Attunement for each Superior > B) Bright Lilim are an acknowledged Choir > C) Thus, Bright Lilim have a specific Choir Attunement for each Superior > > (A + B -> C) > > Might as well write 'em down, no? Everyone else get attunements. Why not Bright Lilim? Resonance aside, Bright Lilim would be pretty worthless if no Superor granted them an attunement, or if they coudln't be given one. > > (And for the record, I'm actually completely in David's camp when it comes > to the whole "Lilim are way kewler than normal demons, and Lilith is > actually the most special Demon Prince(ss) of all" meme... bah humbug, I > say. Lilith becomes boring and worthless if you whitewash her, IMHO. But > it doesn't mean Bright Lilim should get the shaft regarding attunements.) Personally, I really don't have much of a fascination with Lilim either. They're just sultry temptresses in leather, another common demonic theme. Calabim, Djinn and Skulkers are far more interesting I think, especially Djinn. But that's just me :D > --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:35:30 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement It's really quite > terrifying how many >> places you can go and never be challenged if you just > dress well, act >> comfortable and confident, and move and speak as > though you have every right >> in the world to be there. > > If you dress right, move right, and above all else *move > as part of a group*, you can sleaze right past a lot of > security. Guards tend to question those targets who > either send "Don't fit in" signals or are moving around > alone. > Wow. That is pretty freaky. Sounds like you guys would make good the Media or the Game recruiting potential :D (Side note, doesn't Asmodeus just have a face that you could paste on a poster, finger pointing forward with the heading "The Game Wants YOU" on it?) --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:46:39 +0000 From: glasgowc1@attbi.com Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... > The disturbing thing is that he *has* some. > > -EDG Naaah, Andrealphus had some. (And being Andrealphus, who doubts that he has *every* kind of porn? He probably even collects Michael/Dominic B&D slashfic, the perv. *eg*) As for Baal getting stuck with it? As Baal himself pointed out, he should have been a little more specific when he made his request for 'something unusual' as a party favor. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Whoa. Is there more of this, Sirea? =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > I'm with the Band Nice Attunement; I love what it does. Two quibbles, though... > With the expenditure of > two Essence, the person can persuade anyone nearby that > he is *SOMEONE > IMPORTANT* and that he is allowed to be there. The > target number is Fast Talk + Celestial Forces. A roll _and_ an Essence expenditure? Why not just one or the other? > he likes sending people into areas that > they wouldn't normally be seen at such as a rock star > trying to get into > an actor's room backstage or a television producer > sneaking into a record release party. I was never invited to A-list parties, but during the time that I worked in the entertainment industry seeing actors and rock stars or TV and music producers haning out with each other wasn't at all unusual. Indeed, music industry people get invited to the Oscars all the time. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:56:36 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> Adventure Ideas III. Okay, this should be the last one. I hit recorded history after this and I'm home free. First, here's the backstory. Beware, because this violates lots of In Nomine gaming norms about power-levels and Words. It worked really well, though. I had to stop the game at 2:30 PM so people could go home. - -------------------- What happened? Kazviel, Cherub of Light. Anael, Elohite of Creation. Za'aphiel, Mercurian of Knowledge. They were tasked with guiding a tribe of humans across the Bering Strait landbridge around 23,000 BCE. They managed to become part of the tribe through their warrior skills, and Anael taught the humans how to make spears and axes. This upset the balance of power in the tribe and a few murders took place after the tribal head warrior felt his power threatened by the new weapons. Anael easily slew him in a duel, but didn't want to... Saminga egged him on and the other angels said it was necessary if they didn't want to be exiled from the tribe. Decades passed and humans were born and died, and Anael became the tribal champion -- and was encourage to marry, which he did. After the tribe questioned his virility he used the Song of Fruition and impregnated his wife. With a Nephalite. The characters panicked and decided to watch it carefully over the next several years, and to kill it if necessary. The Nephalite grew up and became the mightiest warrior, and then became a serial rapist. They decided to kill it, but before they could they were banished to Heaven by Lucifer after Yves decreed the Earth to be off limits to Celestials. Fast forward through Eden. Two of them were given words. Za'aphiel became the Angel of Scribes and Kazviel became the Angel of Clarity -- nearly a Superior-level word. Baal tried to tempt Anael (whose player was squirming in her seat trying to find ways to deny the Seraph's will ;-)), Lucifer suggested that Kazviel should be an Archangel, and then things went bad. Clarity suffered a massive loss of Word Forces as Ophis visited Eden and Heaven began to split. Kazviel started to go a bit berzerk, trying to find out why his Word suddenly (and without precedent, considering the size of the Word) was falling apart. Lucifer attempted to oust Yves in a bloodless coup d'etat and fighting broke out. In the end, all the angels survived the War in Heaven, although Anael fledged Malakite and lost a Corporeal Force in battle, and Kazviel lost some of his own forces due to Word Force loss. The rebel Saminga was sent screaming into retreat by a lucky (111) shot from Za'aphiel's flaming sword. Kazviel grappled with Kobal in the air mere yards from Lucifer and Michael, as Kobal was trying to help his lord and Kazviel was trying to stop him. They both witnessed Michael casting Lucifer into Hell. After the Fall, Anael (who was petitioning for the word of Invention) was granted a Word and the Seraphim Council was formed. Only two dozen Angels of Light remained in Heaven, and of them only four did not immediately find new Superiors. Kazviel has become their unofficial leader. - -------------------- My problem now is I have nine thousand years or so before the demons are released. I could just fast-forward time, but that's a little unsatisfying. Any ideas for what Angels who have just been allowed to go back to Earth can do between 22,000 BCE and 16,000 BCE? Any ideas for interesting angels (Zadkiel?) they could start adventuring with? Or do you think it'd be better, considering the heavy game before, to just skip those years, tell the players they were dull, and go straight to Lilith rescuing the demons? Ben "You're all the things I've got to remember." - -- A-ha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... - --- Josh Moger wrote: > You know, the funny thing is, I was sure no one would > post a response. Oh, come on. A door that wide, and you didn't expect ME to walk through it? 0:> > Gotta stop setting myself up to be whacked by the Demon > of Irony. Nah... this was definitely the work of the Angel of Opportunism. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:00:11 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement > A roll _and_ an Essence expenditure? Why not just one or > the other? Because that makes it a little more challenging. -:-) > Indeed, music industry people get invited to the Oscars all the time. Fair enough. I was using this as sort of a boost for Soldiers of The Media who can't get into certain venues without a little help. After all, if you can't get to The Next Big Thing, you aren't going to last long as a Soldier of The Media. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:01:21 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Michael Walton writes: > Whoa. Is there more of this, Sirea? Um... well... I'm not sure actually. I was thinking of revising it once or twice, and posting it to the Collection, but I had it end when they all left to hunt down the insane Malakite. I also was thinking maybe it could be used as an intro to a group to be used for campaigns, a group of 5 Malakim, one of War, Destiny, Flowers, Judgment and Creation. Now looking at it, you would think that none of them get along, they're all hostile to each other. But these are special Malakim. Words don't matter, they're going after a fallen brother. They have duty to do, and they'll stop at nothing to put the Malakite out of his misery. Maybe a special group made by Laurence and David... not sure yet, this literally came out of the blue last night. As for continuing the fic, I don't know. If everyone really wants me to, sure, I'll try :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... - --- EDG wrote: > Desperation (Nightmares) Ah! Now I know which Attunement Moe has! =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Media Attunement - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > Because that makes it a little more challenging. That's all right, I suppose. > Fair enough. I was using this as sort of a boost for > Soldiers of > The Media who can't get into certain venues without a > little help. Which makes it really useful for the little guys. For example, Steven Spielberg has no trouble getting into any entertainment industry event. As a lowly Production Assistant, I couldn't get onto certain areas of the set that I'd already been admitted into without permission from my department head. I would've loved having this Attunement. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:23:43 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Event sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright >> Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? > > > I dunno, why doy you think that? It wouldn't make much sense to have a > Choir in Heaven not have an attunement. I mean, Minor Choirs get them > even, why not Bright Lilim? Because they are so rare, it's not likely most Archangels have ever had a chance to attune their Word to a Lilim. There are two schools of thought: one is that an angel who becomes a Servitor instantly gains a Choir Attunement because of the interaction between his Choir and his Superior's Word. The other is that Superiors must invest some energy into creating Choir Attunements, and therefore they are not defaults. I think there are several compelling arguments in favor of the latter -- among others, that Superiors have been known to change their Choir Attunements (Jean has certainly "upgraded" his to keep up with current technology -- I find it unlikely that palmtop computers are a natural result of the interaction between an angel's resonance and the Word of Lightning), and that Superiors can bestow and take away Choir Attunements. So for Bright Lilim to have Choir Attunements, an Archangel would have to spend some time on that problem: "How can I attune a Bright Lilim to my Word?" Supposedly only a handful have ever existed -- perhaps a couple of Archangels who at some point had a Bright Lilim Servitor got around to creating attunements for them, but I doubt that ALL Archangels have bothered to do so, just in case a Bright Lilim shows up and wants to enter their service. And the idea that they would use Choir Attunements as recruiting tools is quite unangelic -- first of all, as has been established in canon, whenever a demon (Lilim or otherwise) redeems, the new angel's preferences will be taken into account, but the Seraphim Council makes the final decision where that angel will go. Secondly, any angel who makes decisions on which Archangel she'd like to serve based on what kind of kewl powers she'll get is not thinking like an angel. I imagine many Archangels would probably not create a Bright Lilim attunement even if they did gain one as a Servitor. If they want to give their new Lilim powers, they can always grant her some other Choir Attunements and/or Servitor Attunements. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:25:27 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword As for continuing the fic, I don't know. If everyone really wants me to, sure, I'll try :D Sirea I'm certainly not everyone, but I would want you to continue it. Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:36:56 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". >now, they spend time with the only other who can understand. >> > >This was touching... I like how grimy and sad and dark everything seemed... >good job. I look forward to other stuff you have written. Inspires me to try >my hand at writing again :D Thank you... and if trying your hand means that we're gonna get more beauties from you like "Phone...Sword" then I certainly HOPE you keep "trying your hand" at writing again! Harukami ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:38:34 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... > > Desperation (Nightmares) > > Ah! Now I know which Attunement Moe has! Tell me about it. :/ Him and Earl Wajenberg. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:40:54 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... > > Desperation (Nightmares) > > Ah! Now I know which Attunement Moe has! Tell me about it. :/ Him and Earl Wajenberg. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:47:07 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> The Event > > So for Bright Lilim to have Choir Attunements, an Archangel would have to > spend some time on that problem: "How can I attune a Bright Lilim to my > Word?" Supposedly only a handful have ever existed -- perhaps a couple of > Archangels who at some point had a Bright Lilim Servitor got around to > creating attunements for them, but I doubt that ALL Archangels have > bothered to do so, just in case a Bright Lilim shows up and wants to enter > their service. I understand your reasoning, but still, if there was Bright Lilim, I don't see why the Archangel who got one wouldn't give them an attunement. I know some Archangels would if only to see how the Bright Lilim nature and their Word interacted. I think they list an attunement for everyone so no one felt left out, so whoever does have Bright Lilim, you now have an attunement for them (attunement for Mike and Novy, but not for say, Jean and Dominic? Doesn't make any sense). That's how I see it. It's like introducing a new Choir in the rulebook but only giving an attunement for half the Superiors. Yes, they're rare, but from campaign to campaign, different people will have different Superiors who have a Bright Lilim or two, and they kight want an attunement. It's not all just kewl factor. --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:55:10 -0400 From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 > Another List "urban legend," right up there with the Michael-Novalis romance and the non-evil Lilim, is the concept that Uriel was evil, about to Fall, insane, etc. > Other listserv sacred cows are: A) all Ethereals are really cute and fluffy There seems to be a widely held idea that Ethereals are really good guys, all ready to join Heaven against Hell. I'm hoping that the EPG will have Ethereals of all stripes. B) the apparent assumption that Malakim start out around 15 Forces >From other's portrayals, it seems that Malakim are always amazing in combat, always outwit and outthink demons, have unbreakable wills, and always succeed on their resonance rolls, making them close to demon detectors. Come to think of it, I think that their portrayal is more like 18 Forces... Personally, I like a gray world (as opposed to bright or dark), but there don't seem to be many on the list who agree with that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:15:10 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 At 02:55 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, Samovar3@aol.com wrote: >A) all Ethereals are really cute and fluffy >B) the apparent assumption that Malakim start out around 15 Forces Wow. I must be reading a different list, because I can't remember running into either of these. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:49:00 +0000 From: glasgowc1@attbi.com Subject: Re: IN> The Event > Supposedly only a handful have ever existed - perhaps > a couple of Archangels who at some point had a Bright > Lilim Servitor got around to creating attunements for > them, but I doubt that ALL Archangels have bothered to > do so, just in case a Bright Lilim shows up and wants > to enter their service. Since /which/ "couple of Archangels" have created attunements for Bright Lilim servitors varies from game ot game, the game rules had to list them all. However, it's perfectly reasonable to have only those few Archangels who actually have Bright Lilim servitors to have actually done the R&D work to create a Bright Lilim Choir Attunement. The remainder of the attunements are merely what those archangels /would/ create, if and when they ever got a Bright Lilim servitor. Of course, game logic being what it is, the Superior that an incoming Bright Lilim PC serves /just happens/ to be one of those few who, in that DM's campaign, have already had occasion to research Bright Lilim Servitor Attunements. Or maybe not. It's all DM's choice. But the fact that the rulebook lists Bright Lilim attunements for a raft-load of Archangels doesn't mean that all of those Archangels have already finished it. It's much like the Band Attunements people have come up with for non-canonical Minor Choirs... maybe the relevant Demon Princes haven't actually invented the attunement yet "in-game", but when time comes for them to do so then this is what they /will/ invent. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:24:23 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 > Wow. I must be reading a different list, because I can't remember running > into either of these. Such as obnoxious Singing Swords? *innocent look* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:28:16 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Superiors Fanfics, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22The=20War=22.?= > Thank you... and if trying your hand means that we're gonna get more > beauties from you like "Phone...Sword" then I certainly HOPE you keep > "trying your hand" at writing again! > > Harukami > Well... I haven't written actual fanfiction or anything like that in a long time, so I still feel uncomfortable, but thanks ^_^ Actually... uh... if I can ask someone, can you send me my story again? I was going to save it to disk, but I erased it by acceident, and I couldn't get it recovered... sorry >_<;; --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2798 ********************************