in_nomine-digest Tuesday, July 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2700 In this digest: Re: IN> War-Oriented Mundane Devices Re: IN> The prison of the Destined IN> Project Silence - EDO Re: IN> Project Silence - EDO IN> my thought on Satan Re: IN> my thought on Satan Re: IN> Exciting New Contest! Re: IN> my thought on Satan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:04:26 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> War-Oriented Mundane Devices >I really liked these. Thanks. >However, I have a question... >I'm confused. Can these detect 1-4 CelForce Calabim or not? > >-- Casca Sorry. What I meant to say was, the smallest detectors can only sense 5-6 Force Calabim *if the Calabite is any distance away.* The larger the detector, the better the sensitivity, and the farther away it can detect the entropy field of a Calabite with some given number of Celestial Forces. A detector/1 can sense a 1-Celestial-Force Calabite if he comes within 1 yard; it can sense a 2-Force Calabite 2 yards away, and so forth. A detector/2 can sense the 1-Forcer 2 yards away, the 2-Forcer at 3 yards, etc. The formula is: for a particular Calabite, a detector will register his presence when he is closer than (Sensitivity) + (Cel. Forces) - 1 yards. They say every equation reduces your readership by half ( ^_- ), so if you want to clean it up a bit just use (Sensitivity) + (Cel. Forces). Presumably you could use this formula for long-range high-sensitivity devices, but not only does the size and cost get prohibitive, and the area to be searched for the Calabite get too big (of course, some wiseguy Jeanite would probably try triangulation :^) ) eventually it's like blowing on a bonfire. Blowing on a candle will produce a noticeable effect; blowing on a large candle, or blowing harder, will produce a bigger change; puffing on a bonfire doesn't cause a dent (hence why Belial or Saminga doesn't just toss a few Calabim at a nuclear power plant to cause a meltdown). William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:34:12 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> The prison of the Destined >>- --- james walker wrote: >> Granted - but so what? What, precisely, are they supposed >> to do? Launch an >> all out assault on Beleth's Tower? if they had the power >> to do that, they'd have done it long ago. > > With inter-Word coopeation (something that Heaven does > better than Hell, and most of Hell does better than > Beleth), they do have the power. If that was true - they'd have done it a long time ago. Heaven hasn't even taken out that fake heaven that Hell runs (the one written up in YAH). Also - cooperation? Who needs it? The moment Michael gets involved, Baal joins the fray - possibly ignoring Beleth completely. Beleth gets on well with Kronos, who would definitely want this place protected from Yves. >> But no matter what they do, >> they'll end up fighting the prisoners themselves > > Which is why the strike force would consist mostly of > Elohim and Malakim, the two Choirs least likely to have any > trouble with Ethereally "killing" the prisoners to sever > their connections to the Ethereal plane and send them to > Heaven. Ethereally death *doesn't* sever the connection to the Ethereal; the only way for a non-Sorcerer to break the connection is to destroy the Domain - which in this case means killing Beleth - and even then the Dream-shades get a chance to re-anchor themselves. (CPG p 83) Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:34:14 +0000 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Project Silence - EDO The two angels ducked behind the car, gasping for breath as the hail of bullets rained destruction down around them. As the gunfire slowly began to chew their cover away, the Seraph nodded to his partner and began the shift to celestial form. After the Malakite finished his shift, the two rose from their hiding spot and moved outward to survey the damage to the Tether. "Bless, Azaviel. Dominic's going to be livid about this. What is _wrong_ with these people?" "I have no idea, Ogram. I'm just glad we made the shift when we did. Another few seconds of that and my vessel would have died. Come on. We should make sure we can identify these guys while they cannot hurt us." As the two angels moved forward, one of the soldiers that had been chasing them started slowly moving his head around the parking lot, then locked eyes with the Malakite. Without turning away, he spoke to the others with him. "They've gone cross-dimension on us. Got a blackfeather and one of the golds. Range is 20 meters and closing. EDO. Now." Ogram turned to his superior, chewing his lip. "Azaviel, they can still see us. You sure we want to just go walking out in the open like this?" The Seraph made a serpentine shrug. "Why not? We can't be affected by their weapons. The monkeys no longer pose a real threat to us." Turning toward the soldier who had spotted them, he spoke again. "Even these uplifted primates know that their guns are useless against us now. They are bluffing." The soldier smiled nastily as he pulled an odd-looking ammunition clip off his belt, chromed and with a slit so one could see the rounds inside. As he moved it slowly across his wrist, the ammunition inside becan to emit a sickly greenish light as blood flowed past the slit and runes began to flare on the bullets inside. As the angels looked each other nervously, they realized that the other soldiers were brandishing similarly glowing weapons. The soldier on point ejected the clip in his rifle and quickly slammed in the new one, and then shook his head, chuckling. "Still sure we're bluffing?" - ------------------------------------ E.D.O. (Extra Dimensional Ordinance) Created by an little known alchemical procedure, these rounds can be used to affect extra-dimensional (Celestial) targets, even when they have crossed to another plane. Damage is standard for the ammunition of the weapon type, but will do celestial damage to targets unprotected by a vessel. Although EDO rounds are powerful for an alchemical device, there are certain drawbacks to using EDO ammunition. First among them is that they're not easy to make. Each round must have certain runes carved into it, requiring a successful artistry roll before the enchantment can even hope to take place. These must be carved by hand at the moment - automated production of EDO has thus far proven unsuccessful. Once the runes are in place, the enchantment can take place, although Project Silence sees this as 'extra-dimensional science', rather than the 'magic ritual' that's used. The enchantment is relatively simple in and of itself, provided one has a bunch of difficult to acquire and rare substances, not the least of which is blood from an 'alien husk' (vessel). The other substances are up to the GM, but should be somewhat dangerous to acquire or use, or extremely expensive. The next problem is really an extension of the first - because of the difficulty of making these rounds, they do _not_ come cheap. For authorized government agencies that have clearance to buy this ammunition (Project Silence and any possible foreign counterparts) the cost is approximately 50 US dollars per bullet for commonly used sizes, and up to 200 per bullet for ones not commonly in production. As a result, an M-16's 30 round clip will run somewhere on the order of 1,500 dollars. As members of an agency with little to no official funding, Silencers are highly recommended to use these only when necessary. In order to use Extra-Dimension Ordinance, one must bring the ammunition into contact with blood to activate the dimensional properties - as a result, most EDO clips have a sharpened edge for slashing the wrist. Once the blood makes contact with the bullets, the runes will activate and start glowing. This is a dead giveaway that _something_ is different about the weapon - perceptions rolls to notice automatically succeed once the ammunition is charged. The blood is typically burned off by the heat of the gunpowder while inside the barrel, so these weapons have a tendency to smell, look horrific, and jam unless cleaned regularly. No system is required for this, only the GM's imagination. Last, but not least, EDO ammunition is unstable. Once activated, the user has only 3 minutes where the ammunition is guaranteed to work. After that, the failure rate increases slowly but surely. To date, no one has seen a EDO round still active after 18 minutes. In game terms, make a roll for intervention when the ammunition is activated. EDO will stay good for 3 minutes times the CD of the roll. On a favorable intervention, no damage will be done in slashing the wrist ('just a flesh wound'). On an unfavorable intervention, the runes may have been miscarved, either causing complete failure of the enchantment, the gun to jam, or something equally upleasant. EDO ammunition cannot be further enchanted. No undetectable EDO rounds. No EDO Holy bullets. No Summonable caches of unlimited ammunition. Any Vapulan that tries typical experimentation should suffer typical Vapulan results in the worst way. Happy hunting. Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence - EDO Gaaaaah! This stuff makes Mortals way scary! ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:30:41 +0000 From: "carson young" Subject: IN> my thought on Satan After reading the thing about lucifer's word a while ago, I was also unable to think up a good idea for something that defines him. He's hardly the incarnation of evil, as he can be honorable and even give gifts to others. These gifts may be given for selfish reasons, but they're still gifts. IIRC, no one came up with a word that really worked. This may not work either, but it's an idea. What if Lucifer had an epithet? Seriously, he's possibly the most well known creature in Creation, (other than of course, the all-powerful god idea.) and is recognizable, if not believed in, by almost everyone on earth, heaven and hell. So you slap on the name of something like "He who opposes God" or something like that, and you've got a pretty powerful character. I realize that the epithet rules aren't really defined much, and that epithets are generally weaker than full-blown words, but I still think it's an interesting idea. Just a thought, Carson Young, habbalite of GM's _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> my thought on Satan >Seriously, he's possibly the most well known creature >in Creation, >(other >than of course, the all-powerful god idea.) and is >recognizable, if not >believed in, by almost everyone on earth, heaven and >hell. So you slap >on >the name of something like "He who opposes God" or >something like that, >and >you've got a pretty powerful character. I realize that >the epithet >rules >aren't really defined much, and that epithets are >generally weaker than >full-blown words, but I still think it's an >interesting idea. This actually makes sense. Though my mental state may be responsible for that. Kanako, demented Balseraph of Nightmares, *thinks* he works for Vapula..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Exciting New Contest! Hehe. I knew there would come a time when that little idea would have the opportunity to come up. Now, where did I put that again? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> my thought on Satan - --- carson young wrote: > > He's hardly the > incarnation of evil, as he can be honorable and even give > gifts to others. > These gifts may be given for selfish reasons, but they're > still gifts. Evil does not necessarily equal dishonorable. It can play by rules (usually of its own devising) and can be just as scrupulous as Good in following those rules. As for gifts, giving them for selfish reasons -- especially for the purpose of corrupting the recipient -- doesn't make the act of seeming generosity any less evil. > Seriously, he's possibly the most well known creature in > Creation, (other > than of course, the all-powerful god idea.) and is > recognizable, if not > believed in, by almost everyone on earth There is no Devil in the Wiccan faith, IIRC. Many non-Western religions are equally without such a figure. The above statement is Eurocentric at the very least and misinformed at worst. Which is not to say that Lucifer isn't recognizable. Christians have been very successful at imposing their belief system on cultures that had nothing like it, so it's no great stretch of the imagination for an Aboriginal shaman to recognize the Devil when the shaman sees the traditional signs. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2700 ********************************