in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2580 In this digest: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony IN> Quick Backwards In Nomine Post IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Questions about Words RE: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Re: IN> Questions about Words IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2579 Re: IN> Questions about Words Re: IN> Questions about Words ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:32:47 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Maurice Lane wrote: > Javan has been scheming furiously to avoid this > gristly fate since about five minutes after he > received his Word. Naturally, the optimal course is > to find a Prince that could somehow find Grease useful > - but of the two obvious choices, Andrealphus has been > unresponsive and Javan's smart enough to know that > Kobal would just toss him back after the Joke wore > thin. Well, if Nybbas were a John Travolta fan... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Well, if Nybbas were a John Travolta fan... Good God. What is WRONG with me that I didn't think of that? I was even *trying* to think of a Nybbas angle - and couldn't think of anything suitable. I am chagrined. Abashed, even. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:43:59 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Good. And is David ashamed? He should be. (as I am for not thinking of this first... After all, Grease is the word!) Sorry. -Daiv (wondering how long this will continue before the ArchPrincess begins the smiting?) >--- David Edelstein wrote: > >> Well, if Nybbas were a John Travolta fan... > >Good God. > >What is WRONG with me that I didn't think of that? I >was even *trying* to think of a Nybbas angle - and >couldn't think of anything suitable. > >I am chagrined. Abashed, even. > >Moe > - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:05:24 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Daiv wrote: > > Good. And is David ashamed? > He should be. I wrote Jack Chick In Nomine and IN "Touched by an Angel." - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:17:20 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Good point. You have no shame*. -Daiv *Just a couple dump trucks loads worth of talent. >Daiv wrote: >> >> Good. And is David ashamed? > > He should be. > >I wrote Jack Chick In Nomine and IN "Touched by an Angel." > >-David - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Javan has been scheming furiously to avoid this > gristly fate Ouch! Pun damage! ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "The other beattitude that's not in the book is this: 'Blessed are those who are pleasant to live with.'" - -- Rev. Claudette Copeland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:42:02 -0500 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony Maurice Lane wrote: >Javan has been scheming furiously to avoid this >gristly fate since about five minutes after he >received his Word. Naturally, the optimal course is >to find a Prince that could somehow find Grease useful >- but of the two obvious choices, Andrealphus has been >unresponsive and Javan's smart enough to know that >Kobal would just toss him back after the Joke wore >thin. > Hey, grease is a perfectly good Technology word, too, unless Javan's Word is too specific to include petroleum-based grease. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:03:32 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: IN> Quick Backwards In Nomine Post Just wanted to share a thought I had for a possible low contrast, backwards IN game. It's simple really. The angels that got kicked out of Heaven twisted into demons as they lost their connection with the Symphony and began to create their own personal symphonies. But what if the remaining angels in Heaven found that they were no longer the same, either? What if, after the battle, they looked to each other for comfort only to find that each and every one of them were now bound by chains and held themselves aloft with black feathered wings? What if... they had all followed Uriel? Heaven has lost it's perception for anything but honor now. And each Archangel, also Malakim, have their own idea of how to channel and express the honor of God. Course, the strangest part of all is when the 'Seraphic' Council meets and finds Yves... Sitting alone and crying... The tears falling upon the black feathers he's torn in frustration from his wings... recovering from a minor blip in life, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Wade Trupke" Subject: IN> Questions about Words Pardon me while I delurk just long enought to ask a few Word-related questions... 1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? 2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has died, fallen, or been kicked out? (For that matter, has Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) 3. If any of the above are answered "No," is there a canonical reason for this? Or is it something that just hasn't been written about yet? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________________ ComicBookResources.com - The comic site you have to visit. Free e-mail for Comic Book Fans at http://www.cbrmail.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:18:53 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words >2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has >Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has >died, fallen, or been kicked out? (For that matter, has >Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) > Yep to the latter question. Legion was the second holder of "Corruption". The first was Balzeebub (Spellings probably off), who was killed by Uriel over control of the Roman Empire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:23:50 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words > 1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of > any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? "Cities" is the only canonical example that comes to mind. And David Edelstein came up with "Abortion" a while ago. > (For that matter, has Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) Fleurity is the most current holder of the Word of Drugs and Alemon took Secrets away from Gebbeleth. Don't know of any on Heaven's side. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:25:29 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> Questions about Words > 2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has > Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has > died, fallen, or been kicked out? (For that matter, has > Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) Both Gluttony and Secrets have had previous superiors. Brook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words - --- Wade Trupke wrote: > 1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of > any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? Yes. There is an (Arch)Angel of Death who is mentioned in Night Music but never named. > 2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has > Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has > died, fallen, or been kicked out? Heaven doesn't like to reassign Words much, especially in cases where the previous holder Fell. A Word-bound who Fell and Redeemed would almost certainly not be given the same Word again. The Word of Song has never been reassigned despite the fact that its holder is Outcast. Most functions of Knowledge have been subsumed by Destiny while the Waters is an orphan Word in every sense and Creation's Servitors have mostly been divvied up among the other AA's. Basically, Heaven's tendency is to have the other Superiors pick up the slack for a fallen Archangel rather than to elevate a new one. Hell's tendency is exactly the opposite. > (For that matter, has > Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) Alaemon is not the first Prince of Secrets; Gebbeleth had that Word first. Genubath was the Prince of Rapine until his Word was stolen (possibly subsumed) by Valefor. I believe that Legion wasn't the first Prince of Corruption either, but Lucifer is loathe to reassign that Word after what happened with its last holder. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "The other beattitude that's not in the book is this: 'Blessed are those who are pleasant to live with.'" - -- Rev. Claudette Copeland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:02:22 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words Cameron McCurry wrote: > > > 1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of > > any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? > > "Cities" is the only canonical example that comes to mind. The Angel of Cities is canonical, but the Demon of Cities is not mentioned anywhere in official publications, AFAIK. (The noncanonical Duke of Cities is at http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Izrann.htm, along with the also non-canonical Archangel of Cities.) > And David Edelstein came up with "Abortion" a while ago. Also non-canonical:  http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/AbortionAngels.htm http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/AbortionDemons.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:58:52 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony >Hey, grease is a perfectly good Technology word, too, unless Javan's >Word is too specific to include petroleum-based grease. That actually sounds like the best suggestion so far -- mind you, the Nybbas angle could probably be squeezed for more humor, but if Javan is such a snob he'd probably rather be the grease on the cogs of Tartarus. If I were to put him in a game, that's the Prince I'd have him shooting for. William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:03:43 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words At 10:06 AM 3/26/02 -0800, you wrote: >Pardon me while I delurk just long enought to ask a few >Word-related questions... > >1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of >any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? Yes. http://www.incyclopedia.org/sharedwords.html lists most, if not all, of the shared Words in canon. >2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has >Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has >died, fallen, or been kicked out? (For that matter, has >Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) Although technically their Words are very, very slightly different, Daniel and Hutriel both effectively hold the Word of Final Justice concurrently. Other than that, Heaven does not seem to have recycled any Words in canon. (Again, I refer to http://www.incyclopedia.org/sharedwords.html for this.) >3. If any of the above are answered "No," is there a >canonical reason for this? Or is it something that just >hasn't been written about yet? I don't know of any canonical reason why Heaven would not recycle Words. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:22:25 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Servitor of Gluttony From: "David Edelstein" > > Well, if Nybbas were a John Travolta fan... Javan needs to stay alive another decade, then, thanks to the more recent revival of nostalgia for the movie having passed. Although Kobal might persuade him to take an interest, just to see how long the Media interest took to diw down again... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:41:52 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words David Edelstein said unto us: > The Angel of Cities is canonical, but the Demon of Cities is not > mentioned anywhere in official publications, AFAIK. The Demon of Cities is mentioned (But not by name) in the GMG under the "Word Friction" section. > > And David Edelstein came up with "Abortion" a while ago. > > Also non-canonical: But nicely written. Especially for the angel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:46:53 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2579 - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:22 PM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2579 >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:20:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Maurice Lane >Subject: IN> Servitor of Gluttony > >Javan >Impudite Captain of Cannibals >Demon of Grease > >Javan has been scheming furiously to avoid this >gristly fate since about five minutes after he >received his Word. Naturally, the optimal course is >to find a Prince that could somehow find Grease useful >- - but of the two obvious choices, Andrealphus has been >unresponsive and Javan's smart enough to know that >Kobal would just toss him back after the Joke wore >thin. There aren't many other suitable candidates - >Javan, alas, is a bit of a (read: "a galloping") snob, >and shudders to think of having to have his art >polluted by working for Saminga and/or Belial. >Unfortunately, the list is thus pretty much exhausted. Has he considered working for Vapula? With the word of Grease, he could make an excellent mechanical engineer. He'd never run out of machine oil... ; ) - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:00:14 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words Cameron McCurry wrote: > > David Edelstein said unto us: > > > The Angel of Cities is canonical, but the Demon of Cities is not > > mentioned anywhere in official publications, AFAIK. > > The Demon of Cities is mentioned (But not by name) in the GMG under> the "Word Friction" section. Oh. Yeah. I wrote that. How embarrassing. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:57:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Words At 10:06 AM -0800 3/26/02, Wade Trupke wrote: >Pardon me while I delurk just long enought to ask a few >Word-related questions... > >1. Besides Fire, are there any (canonical) Words, of >any level, claimed by both Heaven and Hell? I believe Cities has had at _least_ enough implicit usage as an example that it'd count... (It's mentioned in GURPS IN, I think? -- and I think somewhere else, at least as an example of sub-Superior Word-conflict.) >2. I know Hell is fond of Word recycling. But has >Heaven ever reassigned a Word whose previous holder has >died, fallen, or been kicked out? Fortitude, IIRC. >(For that matter, has >Hell reassigned any Superior level Words?) (Corruption, I believe.) >3. If any of the above are answered "No," is there a >canonical reason for this? [...] In the case of the Words which have _not_ been recycled, it's because no one's been found who can fulfil that job yet -- though sometimes it seems that really the Seraphim Council is still waiting for someone to come home and take up his or her old Word... (Lucifer gives them out when he thinks someone can be useful that way.) In the case of Word-conflict being avoided, it's due to the various problems inherant in such a thing -- if the Council or Lucifer thinks that a celestial can work with that conflict anyway, or at least provide a counter to annoy the current holder, then they'll go for it. Otherwise, they'd probably prefer to only conflict on the edges of Words, to keep their own minons better-able to promote themselves. At 9:00 PM -0600 3/26/02, David Edelstein wrote: >Cameron McCurry wrote: >> >> David Edelstein said unto us: >> >> > The Angel of Cities is canonical, but the Demon of Cities is not >> > mentioned anywhere in official publications, AFAIK. >> >> The Demon of Cities is mentioned (But not by name) in the GMG under> the "Word Friction" section. > >Oh. Yeah. I wrote that. > >How embarrassing. You're busy on other stuff. I can't remember the GIN one, myself, for sure... (And I'm too busy skimming this stuff before going back to some editing, to check.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2580 ********************************