in_nomine-digest Monday, February 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2547 In this digest: Re: IN> Up to the Challenge Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration Re: IN> Jordi revisited IN> Re: Up to the Challenge Re: IN> Jordi revisited Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype IN> Celestial Hockey League Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League Re: IN> Superior book Speculatios Re: IN> Some Inappropriate Groups for Lightning Re: IN> Jordi revisited Re: IN> New story Re: IN> Jordi revisited IN> Re: Jordi's Choirs Re: IN> Re: Jordi's Choirs Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Up to the Challenge I like it (and you really shouldn't have put that Need out on the list, Vaughn; you know that there are Lilim about). I'd like it even better as a Mortals-only ability. That would balance things out a bit as far as Celestials' and Ethereals' advantage in number of Forces. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration Oh, yeah, this needs to be rare. I'm not sure that I'd even let PC Sorcerers learn it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype What is "Iron Rev" anyway? I gather that it is somehow related to Iron Chef... Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:46:22 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype >What is "Iron Rev" anyway? >I gather that it is somehow related to Iron Chef... > >Jennifer An adventure seed competition. A set of "ingredients" is posted to the list; all and sundry are invited to write up adventures for PCs of any flavor. There is a deadline, usually a week; a size limit, simply the list's usual guidelines; and the stipulation that one's entry, to qualify, must be clearly marked as an Iron Rev entry and somehow involve the theme ingredients. The entries are then voted on in some fashion, and the winner is announced. I think somebody used to archive them, too, but I'm not sure who. I just keep the ones I liked. ;^) William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:05:48 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration Michael Walton wrote: > > Oh, yeah, this needs to be rare. I'm not sure that I'd > even let PC Sorcerers learn it. I wouldn't allow it anywhere near a remotely canonical game; it diminishes the tragedy of being undead. But then, I'm mean and prefer to keep sorcerers as pitiful dupes who never obtain even a tiny fraction of the power they _think_ is available. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:38:17 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> The Rite of Restoration >>Oh, yeah, this needs to be rare. I'm not sure that I'd even let PC Sorcerers learn it. Well, I figure that the conditions behind using the spell insure that it will be *extremely* rare. It could be an epic adventure for an Undead player to find. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:57:27 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi revisited >>So, what does everyone think of my revised Jordi? I like it a lot. The focus of Jordi as something other than an eco terrorist seems to work quite well. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:33:26 -0800 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: IN> Re: Up to the Challenge "Eric Bertish" wrote: >If the player has XP available, the first level is bought instantly and the >PC is "up to the challenge" presented to him/her. You could also have players reserve some amount of character points during character creation to spend on skills acquired during play. This variation is probably best for characters who already have a "I go where the Symphony needs me" attunement or character conception. Or you could think of it as the "check here to donate 2 character points to the Celestial campaign fund" option. >and I'll be coming for a Geas soon, Vaughn How about I post an Iron Rev entry when said beloved trope raises to join the ranks of the undead? Either that or I'll be sure to vote for your entry. - --Vaughn - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Somewhere around revision 5 of my D20 character I had to admit the truth - I am a Munchkin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: jamoge@wm.edu Subject: Re: IN> Jordi revisited Quoting Cameron McCurry : > >>So, what does everyone think of my revised > Jordi? > I like it a lot. The focus of Jordi as > something other than an eco terrorist seems to > work quite well. > -- snip Have to agree. I could see a differnet focus for Jordi depending on the contrast of the game... but then that might leave the mechanics of Jordi's angels a bit too fluid. Josh (stranded in the wilderness of computer labs so long as the Demon Prince of Computers, Compaquus, has his laptop hostage...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:10:44 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype > >What is "Iron Rev" anyway? > >I gather that it is somehow related to Iron Chef... > > > >Jennifer I ran what I think must have been the most unsuccessful Iron rev, Number 3. Seven or so people submitted entries but only three people voted. I never could announce a winner. My personal Favorite was Moe Lane's "Polite Club". It been a while since I've checked in on the list, I hope that Iron Rev's subsequent to mine have been more successful. Good Luck Will! Daniel Demon Prince of Lerkers _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:16:22 -0800 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype "Eric Bertish" wrote: >I think the Iron Rev obit was premature. I mean, I never got a post >declaring the next contest and listing the inredients. If nobody knows >there's a contest on, they can't enter it... I have found declaring an Iron Rev contest is harder than it looks. Perhaps I just suffer from a communicate-over-people-heads discord, but I actually intended the obit to be an Iron Rev declaration of sorts. Admittedly, the three ingredients I listed in the "obit" were bland and not surprisingly no one jumped on them. However, I was hoping that someone would read my little parody, remember our long-forgotten friend, and then present some nefarious ideas of their own Iron Rev. It sounds like my efforts have paid off somewhat because Mr. William J. Keith has something in the works. Hopefully his idea will be better received than my little attempt. And if not, then perhaps someone with List Charisma +2 or List Status/6 will make the next call, and we can raise our voices in halleluiahs as our little trope raises from the dead - or the undead - depending on who gets to him first. Vaughn - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - The reports of Iron Rev's death are greatly exaggerated. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:08:08 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype Vaughn Romero wrote: > And if not, then> perhaps someone with List Charisma +2 or List Status/6 will make the next> call, and we can raise our voices in halleluiahs as our little trope raises> from the dead - or the undead - depending on who gets to him first. What killed the last one was that after the first one, everyone became so enthusiastic that they became routine. Unfortunately, most people don't have time to write and/or read and judge an adventure every couple of months. I would suggest that if you want Iron Rev contests to be successful and to build up significant interest, they should be held twice a year, MAX. (And an annual one would be better.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:56:19 -0500 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: IN> Celestial Hockey League (This is a joint effort between myself and Cameron. I should know better than to give him ideas.) Life in Heaven has a lot to offer the blessed souls and angels who dwell there. You could walk down one street and strike up a conversation with someone who lived three hundred years ago just to learn more about life on Earth back then. You could take painting lessons from Da Vinci or get into a jam session with Jimi Hendrix. And there are sports to play as well. No matter what your preference, there is always a game going on somewhere. Hockey is one of the bigger events in the Eternal City. ESPECIALLY when the Winter Olympics are going on. The stadium that the games are held in obey the laws of Heavenly Physics; They are far bigger on the inside than the outside. There are always seats for everyone, and they all have the best view no matter where they sit. The stadium itself is mobile and will appear in the area of Heaven that belongs to the home team's Archangel. The team lineups are fairly standard. Ofanim tend to be Wings, Malakim for centers, Cherubim for goalies and Mercurian for defensemen. Seraphim make phenomenal coaches and Elohim gravitate towards referees. Most of the Archangels have their own teams or allow their Servitors to play. Although Archangels do not play in the official games, three on three exhibition games are not unheard of. The pace is incredible. The players move faster than most people can follow, which is why the Kyriotates tend to be the announcers. But in spite of it, the teams are very sportsmanlike. Fights are rare but end quickly and the players are respectful towards each other. With the focus on the game, the scores tend to be higher in the end. The last game of the season is a competition for The Cup. It defies physical description, most laws of even Heavenly physics, and tends to sing quite cheerfully (Yes, Eli made it). The last game is one of the bigger crowd draws. Even angels on Earth find a place where they can watch the broadcast. The following are descriptions of the players in the CHL: Blandine: The Archangel of Dreams doesn't sponsor a team of her own, but her Servitors put on some great intermission shows. Those Servitors of her who want to play tend to be fairly good coaches with inventive strategies. Christopher: Christopher ru n s the Junior League, which gives Relievers and children a chance to play in the stadium. He and Blandine also supervise the Semi-Pro League that has Saints and Blessed Souls, since few of them would be a match for a Celestial on the ice. David: The Diamonds are renowned for the most solid teamwork and their strength on the ice. Things get pretty messy when someone checks their players a bit too hard. They are currently ranked second in the lists. Dominic: The Seekers are fair but tough players. The obey the rules and have the fewest penalties leveled against them. Right now, they are in the lower rankings. Rumors abound that their practices are often interrupted by a certain kitten chasing the puck around the ice. Eli: The loss of Creation's team when Eli went on walkabout was a pretty devastating blow to Celestial Hockey. They had some of the most inventive strategies on and off the ice. His few angels that still play are the most sought after free agents in the game. Gabriel: The fire and passion that Gabriel's people have turn into one of the most vicious offenses in the game (Especially when someone high sticks a teammate). However, the stadium ice needs to be nitrogen cooled before the Comets play. Janus: The Windies are an average team, but are some of the fastest. No-one knows who first suggested the name in jest, but Janus stuck to it. Most of their fans are more interested in the pranks that have been known to happen before, during and after the games. (One game had to be postponed for a week since the opposing team's equipment mysteriously vanished, and exploding pucks have been encountered.) Jean: The Archangel of Lightning has no team of his own. However, they do the maintenance work on the stadium, the Ofanim drive the Zamboni (When the Kyriotates aren't possessing them) and they even run the concession stands. Jordi: Jordi doesn't get very involved in the game, although he will occasionally watch it. The few Servitors of his that want to play make great defensemen (It's a natural thing to think of their side of the ice as their territory). Khalid: Since his return, Khalid has started to collect players for his team, the Witnesses. They are still going through growing pains, but believe to an angel that they will someday rise in the standings. Laurence: The Knights are courteous and honorable to a fault. As a result, they are quite low in league rankings simply because other teams have no problem in using underhanded techniques in the course of play. By quite low, read very often dead last. Litheroy: Given his tendency to find out the plans of the opposing team, the Archangel of Revelation has been asked to NOT form a team. His Servitors make excellent commentators. Marc: The Servitors of the Archangel of Trade are among the best negotiators for the free agents of other Servitors. His team, the Smiths, are middle ranked, but are talented at countering the opposing team's strategies. Michael: The Warriors are one of the all around favorites. They have an incredible balance of offense and defense and are able to do some of the fastest line changes. They are currently tied with the Seekers, mostly because their rivalry with each other spills out onto the ice (Longest game between them lasted 8 minutes into the second period). Novalis: The Roses have held The Cup for the past three years. This is a source of irritation to the more aggressive teams. Yves: Yves has contemplated forming a team, but for now seems content to let his angels play for other Archangels. They seem to have keen insight as to where the puck needs to go in order to score a goal. Zadkiel: The Archangel of Protection has no team of her own and very few of her angels participate. The ones that do make some of the best goalies and medics on the ice. While very few will speak of the teams now gone, some of the older Archangels will nod in respect to the Deluge, the Harmony (champions for a century after the League was established), and the Scholars, among others. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:06:49 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype >From: "Daniel Gallagher" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Hype >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:10:44 > > >> >What is "Iron Rev" anyway? >> >I gather that it is somehow related to Iron Chef... >> > >> >Jennifer > >I ran what I think must have been the most unsuccessful Iron rev, Number 3. >Seven or so people submitted entries but only three people voted. 15 entries for IR 1, IIRC. jo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:35:13 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League >(This is a joint effort between myself and Cameron. I should know >better than to give him ideas.) > That is really funny. Though I think Jordi would favor one team above all others... The Penguins. A great write up overall. - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League [applause] ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:48:42 -0700 From: "Ruth Evers" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League Nobody wants to let Mom down! "Grow! Grow! Grow!" > Novalis: The Roses have held The Cup for the past three years. This >is a source of irritation to the more aggressive teams. The Knights would do better if their centers didn't follow the 'Ladies first' rule, but they do look good in uniform... *sigh* > Laurence: The Knights are courteous and honorable to a fault. As a >result, they are quite low in league rankings simply because other teams >have no problem in using underhanded techniques in the course of play. By >quite low, read very often dead last. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:53:10 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League >From: "Ruth Evers" >Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:48:42 -0700 >Nobody wants to let Mom down! "Grow! Grow! Grow!" Don't forget that the Seraph of Flowers attunement *really* messes up the timing of opposing defensemen... they haven't learned how to block a scorer *without* using the body-check... - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:24:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> Superior book Speculatios On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > *snicker* Superiors 5 is going to be either: > > Pillars and Wildcards (working title): Janus, Jean, Marc, Litheroy, Zadkiel. > or > Peace and Nature (working title): Eli, Novalis, Jordi, Christopher. My two cents: Superiors 5: Makers and Shapers (Eli, Jean, Marc, Janus) Ryan Roth PS: Yeah, I know the post is is weeks old -- I'm trying to catch up. R ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some Inappropriate Groups for Lightning - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Lightning's Lunatics This one doesn't really require a silly campaign. It makes perfect sense as a way to channel the eccentricity of the technically-minded Creationers whom Jean would quite naturally absorb into his organization. > The Department of Biological Research Nice. It's easy to forget that biotech is still technology, and thus part of Jean's Word. > The Committee to Limit Infernal Technological > Objectives/Resources In Society I nearly choked on that acronym, Moe. My revenge will be swift. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Jordi revisited - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > the Canon portrayal of Jordi doesn't > really please me at all. Way too much "When Animals > Attack" Eco-terrorism > in it's approach. And the whole "Jordi Hates Humanity" > approach doesn't > please me either. I figure Jordi might be happier if > Humanity was just more > friendly to the Animal kingdom as a whole, rather then > extinct. I'm inclined to agree. In fact, that's how I run Jordi anyway. > Also, Jordi's Choir Attunements... don't make a lot of > sense to me. So > Jordi's Seraphim are all in the oceans, while he only has > Malakim keeping track of dogs? This I only partly agree with. While having each Choir associated with a particular category of animals makes sense to me, I'd like to see some of those categories broadened and/or changed (i.e. switch Malakim with Cherubim, then make the Cherubim Attunement for canids in general. That would include foxes, wolves, bears and possibly raccoons). The canonical Seraph of Animals Attunement is of limited utility in a land-based campaign, so they deserve an extra perk to go with it. I just can't think what that would be right now. Mercurians of Animals, IMHO, should have their Attunement expanded to include Humans (who are also primates). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New story Daaaaaaang... You guys _rock_. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "In a world without women, what would men become?" "Scarce, ma'am. Mighty scarce." -- Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:15:08 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Jordi revisited > --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > And the whole "Jordi Hates Humanity"> > approach doesn't > > please me either. Jordi doesn't hate humanity. He just considers humanity no different from any other animal species. And if one species threatens to destroy the ecosphere, it's a threat that needs to be eliminated. > I figure Jordi might be happier if> > Humanity was just more > > friendly to the Animal kingdom as a whole, rather then> > extinct. He would be, but he's probably concluded that, barring a drastic upheaval and reordering of human society, nothing will prevent humans from continuing to consume resources and drive other species to extinction. If you take Jordi's viewpoint, that humans really are no different and no more valuable than any other animal species, then it makes perfect sense to conclude that humanity needs to suffer a mass population reduction at best (followed by some controls to prevent them from rebuilding), and extinction at worst. > Mercurians of Animals, > IMHO, should have their Attunement expanded to include > Humans (who are also primates). That was originally the job of Jordi's Grigori. He probably has assigned his Mercurians to take up the slack now that the Grigori are gone, but he's not likely to reattune another Choir specifically to humans. (Just look what happened to the Grigori! Jordi didn't have this problem with his other Choirs. If being too close to humans can cause an entire Choir to "fall," what more proof does Heaven need that these creatures are dangerous?) Jordi's perspective on humans, actually, is not all that far removed from Lucifer's. They both believe humans are talking monkeys who are held in unreasonably high esteem. What makes Jordi different (and prevents him from Falling), is that Jordi feels humans are a threat to _creation_, and need to be reined in for the good of the many. His reasoning is selfless, even if one believes it's misguided. Lucifer refuses to acknowledge humanity's special place because of pride; he doesn't think HE, personally, should have to treat them as anything more than animals. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: IN> Re: Jordi's Choirs Just some thoughts: I have always felt, as many others do, that Jordi's Choirs need a little fine tuning in places. Case in point: Jordi's Choirs are, in canon, associated directly with certian realms of the animal kingdom, and it seems most people, if they use Jordi at all, stick directly to those associations, because 1) the attunements seem to require it, and 2) there just isn't much else known about Jordi in canon, so players have to go with what little is available. I don't like most of the associations as they are presented, because they aren't very developed, and don't include large portions of the animal kingdom. For instance, Seraphs govern aquatic life. This is okay, but most people seem to think this limits them to fish. I disagree: remember, Jordi formed his organization long, long, long before man was around, and long before man got to around to giving animals his own labels and catergories. In my mind, to Jordi, aquatic life is any life whose existence revolves around water: fish, dolphins, whales, frogs, sea snakes, certain insects, certain birds, alligators, seals, otters, etc. Another example: trying to associate Mercurians with Humans because of their association with primates seems glaringly wrong to me. Jordi might have tried to do so in the very beginning, but God made it pretty damn clear that Mankind was special, above the other animals, and thus outside Jordi's word. Humans are primates only by their own labeling system, which I'm sure Jordi cares little for. I therefore think that it would make much more sense if the choir associations were made along terms of animal function in the ecosystem, rather than by species classifications that humanity invented. In addition, the associations should be pretty broad, and not very stricly enforced. Jordi is a Kyrio; they are not known for being very consistent and, given Jordi's animal nature, I believe he would be even less organized. I can seem him noting a new species and choosing an non-associated angel to be word-bound to it if the choice was expedient or even slightly justified. For example, I think it makes more sense for the Angel of Owls to be an Elohite rather than an Ofanite. Jordi isn't going to let a system of rules constrain him and his actions any more than he would let himself be caged. This looseness also gives his servants a small advantage: their opponents never quite know what choir a given angel belongs to if they only know that angel's vessel of choice. Jordi can be as unpredicable as Janus at times. So, if I had a game at the moment, my Jordi would arrange his Choirs _loosely_ along these lines: Seraphs: Aquatic Life (see above). Aquatic life was the first animal life on the planet, so it makes sense that the first choir stewards them. Cherubim: Domesticated Animals and their relatives, animals known for pack tendencies and/or loyal family behavior. Bears, dogs, wolves, cattle, horses, certian farm animals, house cats, etc. Jordi knew mankind, even if they were outside his word, need watching. He put his cherubs in place to guard those animals that had to interact the most closely with Man (and which were the most easily harmed by Man's actions). The Mecurians help them out with this. Ofanim: Birds and migratory animals, any animal which never settles in one territory. Jordi wants to make sure his ofanim stay mobile. Elohim: Reptiles, animals known for thought and/or animals which survive through cleverness rather than strength or speed ( web-spinning spiders, foxes, owls, etc.) Jordi tends to put animals which don't fit anywhere else under the care of his Elohim, trusting them to guide the species to its proper niche. Malakim: Big Cats and top-of-the-food-chain predators. Jordi makes sure his Malakim have the biggest teeth. Kyrios: Insects and animals which survive in large groups/herds. Given that there are (if I recall correctly) more insect species than all other species put together, I think it likely that Jordi has more Kyrios than any other Archangel. Unless you subscribe to the 'There is only one Kyrio: Jordi' idea, which I think is kind of neat, but probably not easily playable. Mercurians: Human-like animals, pets, animals which have adapted to human enviroments (like cockroaches and pigeons) and low-on-the-food-chain herbivores, like rabbits. They also tend to share duty with the Cherubs watching over animals living near and around Man, as Jordi knows Humanity is the biggest source of problems for animals. Grigori: Werewolves and other shape-shifters. They aren't all Ethereals; Jordi doesn't like talking about them, but he does protect them when he can. Obviously, some animals fit into more than one catergory. I would make these associates more like 'job descriptions' rather than attunements; I would invent other attunments for the choirs (or use the ones posted here) and use this as a layout of Jordi's organization. Comments? Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:14:34 -0700 From: Timothy Groth Subject: Re: IN> Re: Jordi's Choirs I think Jordi's main problem as written is that canonically he's wrong. In IN humans are special. Jordi has some good reasons, as opposed to Lucifer's lunatic prideful ones, about why they aren't special but he's just plain wrong. The entire host of Heaven can't convince him otherwise and his wrong headed thinking is well represented in how he's presented. Having an Archangel whose just wrong is going to bother players who like his Word or other parts of his write up but just wish he wasn't wrong. That said I kind of like it. He's running his Word as well as the other Archangels, being relatively damaging to hell (especially those who endanger animals) and staying within the rules even though he disagrees with them. I think that of all the Archangels he's the least likely to Fall. He puts his trust in God to the point of accepting something which to him seems absolutely incorrect. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > >From: "Ruth Evers" > >Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Hockey League > >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:48:42 -0700 > > >Nobody wants to let Mom down! "Grow! Grow! Grow!" > > Don't forget that the Seraph of Flowers attunement > *really* messes up the > timing of opposing defensemen... they haven't > learned how to block a scorer > *without* using the body-check... Especially when the Roses that are out of range are gleefully demonstrating that Novalis has a fairly progressive view on what constitutes 'necessary violence' in regards to hockey games... ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/01/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2547 ********************************