in_nomine-digest Tuesday, January 15 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2513 In this digest: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... IN> Archangels and Religions... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Questions about Kyriotates and Shedim Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> London Sourcebook Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> London Sourcebook Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... IN> A shame Vapula has no Calabim... IN> Adam the Archangel of Man part 1 IN> London Sourcebook Re: IN> London Sourcebook Re: IN> Archangels and Religions... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Lucifer's Rebellion and the War between Heaven and > Hell has been around > for only twenty or so millennia. Michael has been > around for all > four-billion-plus years of Creation. One thing that's > often forgotten about > Michael is that he's spent over 99.9+% of his existence > not killing anything. Bravo, Charles. That aspect of the Firstborn is too often overlooked. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:13:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Canonically, he helped foster the early growth of > monotheism. Which covers a lot of ground; Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Zoroastrianism are just the best known. The religions of the Australian Aborigines and the Masai of Africa are also monotheistic. If you define monotheistic is the broadest sense -- belief that there is only one supreme being, regardless of the presence of lesser gods or spirits -- the term also covers some pagan sects. I could see Eli being involved in any of them. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - --- David Edelstein wrote: > they also know where Bethlehem is. That > doesn't prove Jesus was there. True enough. That's why there's a need for more research - -- it's an area where neither Christians nor atheists have all the answers yet. > "Looking into" any historical/mythical figure is within > the province of science. Conceded. > > Proof to that effect > > would pretty much win the War for Heaven, > Why? For one thing, it would satisfy the demand for proof that so many call for; those who would believe if they saw the proof would have what they need to believe. And those who failed to believe when they saw the proof would have to confront the fact that proof was never their issue. OTOH, further reflection reveals another angle on this. It's possible that being confronted with such proof before one was ready for it could destroy someone's capacity for belief; you can blind people with light just as easily as with darkness (and Lucifer did hold that Word...). It's just as likely that there are demons out there _showing_ Humans proof that God is real and that Jesus was divine. Somebody mentioned Malphas for that, but it's also something Kronos would do. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:48:05 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Michael Walton wrote: > For one thing, it would satisfy the demand for proof that > so many call for; those who would believe if they saw the > proof would have what they need to believe. Proving Jesus existed would not settle the War. Even proving that Jesus was actually the Son of God would not settle the War (though it would settle a lot of questions angels have). > And those who> failed to believe when they saw the proof would have to > confront the fact that proof was never their issue. You're missing the point that in the official IN universe, Christianity is not the default, and thus does not necessarily represent Heaven's views. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:32:59 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Archangels and Religions... Here are some of my thoughts on the subject... Just 'cause I wanted to add my 10 cents (canadian) ^^ Blandine: The New-Age blend of Christianity, Paganism and Buddhism sounds like her cup of tea. Christopher: Is less interested in promoting ONE given religion then in making sure people stop using Religion as an excuse to abuse kids, such as die-hard christians giving their kids "the Belt" and the practice of female genatalia mutilation in some Muslim countries... David: Judaism. The Jews are a race that have survived throughout centuries of Exodus and persecution thanks to their religion and culture. Judaism has allowed them to preserve their identity from nation to nation for Thousands of years. If that's not worth the Archangel of Stone's respect, then nothing is. Dominic: Canon has him support Christianity , but this is probably only because The Church has a clearly defined hierarchy that enforces order on a grand scale. He probably liked Judaism back in the days of Old Jerusalem, however, and I guess he must also like the structured religious structures of many Muslim nations. (although I'm sure he thought the Taliban were clearly punishing others far beyond whatever "crimes" they felt they saw) Eli: Probably more of a "Find your own Way" kinda guy, religion wise. Probably New Ager as well. Gabriel: Probably somewhere between a "Fire and Brimstone" Christian and a "Jihad" Muslim... Janus: Ironically, I see him as a Discordian, what with his love of Chaos... Jean: definetly NOT Scientology. I see him as a practionner of the philosphy of Stoicism, which holds Reason as the most powerful force in the Universe, to accept triumph and tragedy with the same serenity, and to perform one's duties to the best of one's abilities. Jordi: Probably a form of Animism, where one respects not only "The Supreme Creator", but also the spirits of Animals and Plants of the world all around. So what if that creates Ethereals, so long as the animals get some respect? Khalid: ...Guess. No, really... Guess. Laurence: Roman Catholic. He's been one since the religion stabilized in the Middle Ages, and he ain't stopping now. Litheroy: He'd really like to build his own religion, but keeps getting held back due to "Preservation of Divine Inneffability"... Which really annoys him. Marc: Unilanitarian, dedicated to make sure everyone gets along, religion-wise. Michael: Probably doesn't care if his soldiers are Catholics, Presbatarians or Subgeniuses, so long as they pull their own weight in God's Army. Novalis: Buddhism resonates with so many of Novalis' beliefs: Pacifism, trying to understand your enemies rather then hating them, dedicating yourself to helping others... Yves: He's done with the "Religion Experiment"... He's focusing on modern philosphy these days. Zadkiel: Christian. She follows it because of it's dedication to preserving the Innocent. No, it's not because of Laurence. Get your minds out of Shal-Mari... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:48:41 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Michael Walton wrote: > ... If you define monotheistic > is the broadest sense -- belief that there is only one > supreme being, regardless of the presence of lesser gods or > spirits -- the term also covers some pagan sects. I could > see Eli being involved in any of them. I could see Eli *being* them. (crf. "Eli as God" theories batted around for years) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:52:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Kyriotates and Shedim At 6:00 AM -0800 1/14/02, Phil Vecchione wrote: >I am a new GM to the game, and only have the IN core >rules. But I have a few questions about Kyriotates >and Shedim when the possess humans. > >1. How do you figure out Body Hits? The human host's Corporeal Forces substitute for the vessel level. >2. If a Kyriotate or Shedim possess a human cop, do >either get to use the cop's role as a cop, like >someone who purchased a the Cop Role during character >creation? Not unless they have an attunement that permits this: e.g., Shedim of the Game might fast-talk the GM into giving them a Role which is only active when in the correct sort of host, and Laurencian Kyriotates _do_ get the Role of the person they replace. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... At 6:54 PM -0500 1/14/02, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Rather than go massively OT, I'll just direct you to: > >http://www.xenu.net > >This site should be able to tell you more about Scientology than you never >wanted to know. Mind, you should also go to www.scientology.org so you can get _both_ extremes of viewpoint. Actually, the religion (no comment about the Church organization) would be more likely to have been Yves' fault... Reincarnation, looking at past lives, etc. (Note some of Yves' Servitor Attunements in Superiors 3.) As for the rest... Let me check the archives. Ah, here it is. Someday I hope I'll have enough time and energy to do the By The Books version, which would be rather funny, really. Hmmmm. I'd re-post this, but it looks to make the post 21K! That is, naturally, not a good thing, and I myself am not exempt from the 10K per day per post. But here's the URL: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/digests/1998/7/1-856.txt - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:01:59 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> London Sourcebook From: "David Edelstein" > Why not just post the link? Actually, I was thinking it would be cool if > the INC contained a single page of links to all the different IN > locales, cities that have been written up by various GMs. (Maybe there > is such a page; I haven't checked lately.) > > -David (author of IN New York, IN San Francisco, and IN Dallas) Some listmembers have offered to convert the massive file to either a PDF file or use OCR software and turn it back into a text file. As soon as one of these is finished I will post the URL where people can find it........ Okay, okay...... if people really can't wait and want to download 14 MB of useless stuff than they can click on the very, very long URL below: http://www.strike-to-stun.com/Mordheim/Karak_Azgal/KARAK_AZGAL_files/downloa d/London_Sourcebook.doc Don't say I didn't warn you :-) And please don't download the file en mass or you will crush my poor server. As soon as the file is converted back into a text file (if ever) than I will turn it into an HTML file and create a new website around it. But don't hold your breath.......... Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:03:41 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth McCoy" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... > > http://www.xenu.net > > > >This site should be able to tell you more about Scientology than you never > >wanted to know. > > Mind, you should also go to www.scientology.org so you can get _both_ extremes > of viewpoint. Xenu.net has a link to scientology.org for precisely that purpose. The reverse, however, is not true. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:04:18 -0400 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion On 14 Jan 02, at 16:41, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 8:24 PM -0500 1/11/02, Charles Phipps wrote: > >Okay guys the first real test to see if In Anime can actually work. Guys > >tell me how to adapt this immortal series of robots, fanservice, and > >stolen Christian symbology and names to the heart of the In Nomine > >universe without making both seem utterly and completely silly. > > http://www.eyrie.net/NXE/ To be fair, you need to read a substantial chunk of that before the IN content becomes apparent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Proving Jesus existed would not settle the War. Even > proving that Jesus > was actually the Son of God would not settle the War > (though it would > settle a lot of questions angels have). It would go a long way in the winning hearts and minds department, though, and that's what the War is ultimately about. > You're missing the point that in the official IN > universe, Christianity > is not the default, and thus does not necessarily > represent Heaven's views. More correct, I think, that Christianity in IN does not exclusively represent Heaven's views, but I see your point. Still, a mass wave of mortals turning to a divine religion has got to shift the balance of power, methinks. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:10:52 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> London Sourcebook >Okay, okay...... if people really can't wait and want to download 14 MB of >useless stuff Don't say I didn't warn you :-) > >And please don't download the file en mass or you will crush my poor >server. > >As soon as the file is converted back into a text file (if ever) than I >will >turn it into an HTML file and create a new website around it. But don't >hold >your breath.......... > Any chance of turning it in to a number of smaller, say 3-5 meg dowloads as it will be hard for my server to stay on to on for the 2 hours i'd need for 14 meg. smaller lumps make it easier for all especially your bandwidth. Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:12:38 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... From: "Donato Ranzato" > > Jean - Scientology It's not a divine religion, so I can't see Jean willing to sponsor it. > David - Freemasonry While it isn't actually a religion, judging from what little I know of it this is the exact sort of thing that David would be in favor of. > Dominic - Judaism or Christianity (yes, this is different from canon) I see Dominic favoring Orthodox Judaism over all other forms, but that may just be my personal taste intruding. > Eli - Paganism I can't see this, for the same reason of its not directing essence toward Heaven that would prevent Jean from supporting Scientology. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:16:58 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion >> >Okay guys the first real test to see if In Anime can actually work. Guys >> >tell me how to adapt this immortal series of robots, fanservice, and >> >stolen Christian symbology and names to the heart of the In Nomine >> >universe without making both seem utterly and completely silly. >> >> http://www.eyrie.net/NXE/ > >To be fair, you need to read a substantial chunk of that before the >IN content becomes apparent. IIRC, you need to get to the third arc. Then there's a lot of it. A few discrepancies with both canonical NGE and canonical IN, but a number of the latter can be understood from the standpoint of 'it's a RPG, canon changes.' (Though I was mildly annoyed with the - middle, give or take - of the Kaworu sub-subplot. No more details, it'd spoil the story, but you'll see what I mean when/if you read that far.) ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Basic physics state that for every action, there is an equal, but opposite, reaction. What most people don't realize is that a law of this sort applies to many things. Balance is all... and it's balance, is all. "It's true for stories, too. There is never just one. Every story is two stories: the one that didn't happen, and the one that did. "This is the one that did." Vash the Stampede, '(alleluia)' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:53 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Michael Walton wrote: > It would go a long way in the winning hearts and minds > department, though, How? If Heaven could win the War just by humanity discovering proof of God, they have the means to present such proof already. > Still, a mass wave of mortals turning to a divine religion > has got to shift the balance of power, methinks. Most of the planet now subscribes to a divine religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism). It hasn't helped. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:25:04 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Michael Walton wrote: > --- David Edelstein wrote: > > Proving Jesus existed would not settle the War. Even > > proving that Jesus > > was actually the Son of God would not settle the War > > (though it would > > settle a lot of questions angels have). > > It would go a long way in the winning hearts and minds > department, though, and that's what the War is ultimately > about. Depends on whether it also proved, say, that Jesus did indeed Fall and is indeed now going by the name Kronos. There's no guarantee proving Jesus was the Son of God would also prove he was/is /good/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:43:05 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... > > Still, a mass wave of mortals turning to a divine religion >> has got to shift the balance of power, methinks. > >Most of the planet now subscribes to a divine religion (Christianity, >Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism). It hasn't helped. > >-David I would suggest that it has /helped/... I would submit that Heaven would be in a much worse position, with regards to the war, if divine religions were not as prevalent as they are in the mortal world. It has not, of course, won the war, but it certainly has been a factor in heavens favor. Of course, it can be argued as a major factor in helping hell, as well. Televangilists for Greed, Fanatics for Factions, all sorts of people for Fate. Just off the top of my head, I can see that a lot of people involved with, and loudly proclaiming their association, are giving divine religions a bad reputation. Probably being helped along by Media, of course. That is the wonderful thing about IN, I think... You can take nearly anything in the real world, and see it in terms of either heaven or hell for In Nomine. It makes for some great stories. - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> A shame Vapula has no Calabim... ... then again, he _does_ know where he can find some. Hmmm. Moe Amok Gu n s The Prince - excuse me, Archangel - of Technology is actually a fairly thrifty Habbalite. He's also a bit eclectic when it comes to parts for his creations. And, of course, for some odd reason there always seems to be various pieces of his Servitors lying around - usually smoking, but still perfectly useful. It's synergy like this that gives Vaputech its unparalleled reputation. The Amok Gun is merely the first in the line of a whole range of specialized living artifacts. Vapula does listen to his Servitors, occasionally, and he's ready and willing to provide them with the instant backup that so many of them scream for (often incoherently, just before they go off the air). Essentially, what the Genius Archangel has done is to work out a method of binding a demon to a gun-like object and programming it to shoot off a specific Band resonance upon command. Needless to say, certain things aren't particularly necessary for the lucky demon: for a start, any Corporeal and/or Ethereal Forces that might have survived the original accident. They'd just get in the way. Celestial Forces are good, though: indeed, the more, the better. The celestial version of a central nervous system has to be kept, too: after all, that way the artificer can just tap into an existing network for the negative reinforcement circuits. As for Attunements, Distinctions, Songs, skills ... well, it depends on whether they're useful, or not. Or at least entertaining. Right, the specifics of the Amok Gun: well, Vapula obviously understands how Habbalah tick better than he does any other Band - oops, Choir - so one was part of the first prototype. An Amok Gun can impose a fixed emotional state for every Celestial Force left to the lucky Punisher. Recommended settings: Amok Gun/1: Emptiness Amok Gun/2: Disgust Amok Gun/3: Fury Amok Gun/4: Sadness Amok Gun/5: Love Amok Gun/6: Fear (treat as the Fear Discord, level equal to the relic and duration equal to the CD) Note that the above levels are cumulative: thus, an Amok Gun/3 has settings for Emptiness, Disgust and Fury. To operate, point the business end at the target (range is the lower of [relic level x 10 yards] or line of sight), push the appropriate button and ignore the low-pitched screaming. Ammunition is effectively infinite, but too much use will cause an Amok Gun to act oddly, so watch out for that problem. The spirit inside is the one that gets to worry about rolling a successful resonance check, dealing with dissonance/Discord and making the pain stop, thus sparing busy demons from having to concern themselves with such trivia. Maintenance is fairly simple, too: Amok Gu n s don't exactly having moving parts, so the only real issue is making sure that the Essence capacitors stay drained. Vaputech's Division of Heavy Weaponry and Household Appliances recommends that Amok Gu n s be brought in after every fiftieth use to be checked out: rumors of psychological damage from long term exposure to psychic leakage are wildly exaggerated. Relic Cost: These things are Living Artifacts, so they get bought as servants. The usual cost of (Total Forces x servant level)/2 applies here, giving a cost of anywhere from 1 to 18 points. The spirits inside will typically break down their Celestial Attributes as follows: 1 Force: Will 3 Perception 1 2 Forces: Will 6 Perception 2 3 Forces: Will 9 Perception 3 4 Forces: Will 11 Perception 5 5 Forces: Will 12 Perception 8 6 Forces: Will 12 Perception 12 Also, GMs please note that a perusal of the rules concerning Living Artifacts (found on page 105 of the Liber Reliquarum) should prove most profitable in your meditations on how to keep this fun toy from being too obnoxious... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/01/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:49:08 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Adam the Archangel of Man part 1 Special thanks to those who created Eve. Adam Archangel of Man "Multiply and fill the Earth and Subdue it" Adam has a great deal of other titles; the First Man, the Third Sinner, and the Great Namer being just a few of them. He is the Human who in the Garden of Eden was created along with Lilith to test mankind's worthiness. Adam is still of the mind that he failed the test along with his Bride Eve the Archangel of Women but upon his death he emerged in Heaven and was exalted as the First Saint. The Lord blessed him further with the title of Archangel of Man and from that day forward Adam has served as one of the Seraphim Council and among the only human members to sit at that illustrious seat. Adam's word of Man does not in his mind limit itself to males of the species but actually is the metaphoric Mankind and their continued dominance of the planet. Over the centuries Adam, his Saints, his Angels, and his unique choir the Adamites have promoted mankind's exploration, understanding, and subduing of the planet. Allied at one time to both Raphael and Uriel the Archangel of Man has always been at the forefront of the cause to see man's place in the universe be strengthened. The Grigori's mating with humanity struck him as one of the worst of abominations the Symphony had ever allowed with celestials attempting to steal the gifts of God from Man and the Purity Crusade he gave his quiet approval to. Mankind was not meant to be enslaved by their own dreams. Serving under Adam is a difficult process for many because the Archangel of Man is much like his friend David in his strong and unyielding opinions. He is a man gifted with a great love for anything in the universe but angels who wish to deal with him must accept that their exaltation comes from their place as serving mankind not from their own existence at God's place. His opinion for Saints is not much better with the mind that every one of them bears like he the weight of sins in the world and they must prove to God their worthiness for every moment they remain from the Higher Heavens. Focused and determined remains Adam's presence and the only time he is known to relax is when he sheds his clothes to dwell with his wife in Novalis's gardens. Adam appears usually as a perfectly sculpted figure of a variety of ethnicties who dresses at the height of fashion but never gaudily but merely to accentuate his position of authority. He has a odd tendancy to overdress and usually wears gloves if they are permissable to his environment. Dissonance All servitors of Adam find it dissonant to serve a cause which weakens mankind's dominance of the Earth or causes strife and disunity among the race. Servitor Attunements Saints make up the majority of Adam's service by a whopping 3-1 ratio with the angels serving him all answering to other superiors as well as Adam. In effect all serving Adam even for thousands of years can be considered "on loan" until the time of which humanity no longer requires their influence and they may return to God's ban on Celestial intervention. Adamites: Adamites gain the ability to identify facts about any plant of animal with a sucessful use of their resonance just as they would using their resonance for mankind. Bright Lilim: The idea of one of these beings serving Adam is full of irony that the First man finds delicious but likely this would be the one situation where "Mother" would take exception. Bright Lilim immediately lose their ability to inflict geas on man (but not angels) and instead gain full knowledge of what they need in their lives even if they are not aware of it. Seraphim: A Seraph of Adam may know the future of anything they know the true name of. Because of the overlap the majority of Seraphim serving Adam serve Yves when not serving Adam's interests on Earth. Seraphim of Adam serve as political advisors, economic forecasters, and even fortune tellers to the Stars. Cherubim: Cherubim of Adam gain the ability to know any person they are attuned to's weakness to vices and why. The majority of Cherubim serving Adam serve David when not serving Adam's interests on Earth. They are charged with steering important mortals to the cause of Good. Elohites: Adam's Elohites have the common joke about knowing to warn Adam but not getting there in time about serpents and women. In truth Adam's Elohites understand Man better than any other among their choir and their resonance is effectively doubled in it's effectiveness when dealing with them. The Elohites serving Adam include many from Eli, Jean, and Marc's service. They primarily are scientists, scholars, and inventors. Kyriotates: The idea of taking command of a human's body even for some time is deeply offensive to Adam and he has altered the Kyriotate resonance a great deal. Kyriotates serving Adam can instead merely "suggest" to human beings courses of action even as a human they possess's ability scores raise to the Kyriotates level where they are lower and the same vice versa for the Kyriotate. Kyriotates of Adam usually maintain these identies up from Birth to even Death and become Great Teachers and Holy men with their humans. As such the majority of Adam's Kyriotates serve Yves in their "spare" time (which is practically nil). Ofanim: Ofanim of Adam posess an intimate understanding of terrains thanks their Archangel's lore and automatically recieve a 6/ for survival in every environment including Space. While survival is not normally the province of Angelic concern it has allowed many Ofanim to aid mortal explorers as scouts and the taming of the world. Furthermore Ofanim of Adam are assigned to help those in disadvantaged regions learn to adapt and control their world around them. Primarily Ofanim of Adam serve David otherwise. Malakim: Malakim of Adam are clear in their purpose and that is to soul-kill every Demon they encounter or at the very least eradicate their vessels. Mortals attempts may be made to redeem but if they have brought hellish influence and possess it's power no amount of causalties is too much to bring about the destruction of Hell's influence on Earth. Angels are a necessary evil at this time (yes the Malakim think like that) and everyone else not human and sentient is an abomination. Malakim of Adam can determine at a glance whether a human is a human, angel, ethereal, saint, or demon with a sucessful resonance check. At a level 6/ they can determine whether a human has grigori blood in them as well. It is a vicious rumor that the Malakim of Adam consider the eradication of Grigori blood to be a priority if a small one. This rumor may have weight in the fact that 99% of Adam's Malakim are former servants of Uriel and pay only real lip service to their patron Archangel other than Adam. Mercurians: Mercurians of Adam are those who truly believe in humanity's exaltation above all other beings and can divine at a glance a human's ethical system, how it came about, and from who. They also with a 6/ on their resonance roll determine what sort of knowledge may be bequeathed on a mortal, if not exactly how, will change them to the path of good. Most mercurians serve Yves and Dominic with a substantial being former servants of Raphael. Attunements Knowledge of Good and Evil Similar to Dominic's incarnate law servitors of Adam know a region's social taboos, ethical systems, and beliefs on right and wrong. These may or may not actually correspond to the written down legal system but provide knowledge of what is the prevailing opinion in a given area on specific issues and actions. Hide one's nakedness The irony in the name is deliberate as Adam has turned a badge of shame into a tool of God and with this attunement for the expenditure of three points of essence a Angel may "muffle" the disturbance he causes that none may be heard. This only effects the Angel in question and would not effect things like summonings (save for essence expenditures). It should be noted Adam when he appears never causes disturbance. Distinctions To distinguish himself from the Celestial Archangels and those angels in his service, Adam does not use standard titles for those he rewards especially but his own unique variants. Gaurdian of Paradise This disinction allows a nonviolent if extreme means of dealing with a person as it instantly will teleport another being to some safe location within 30 miles with a resisted will check. Serpent Striker Once per adventure against a truly evil foe a player may invoke this ability which will double the damage dealt in a single blow. The exception is against Balseraphs which suffer QUADRUPLE damage from the blow for their actions against Adam's family. Master of the World This power results in no natural beast or plant being able to negatively effect a person and with a sucessful will roll they will in fact be able to be commanded within their abilities. Langage not a barrier in the case of the tongue of Adam the First Man spoken. Rites * Aid human Civilization in some signifcant way (inspire an useful invention, help a young boy achieve his doctorate out of poverty, discover some lost trace of humanity's past) +3 * Meditate in beautiful creation of Man's creation (office building or natural park) for three hours. * Resist significant temptation Relations Adam is a respected figure in the Seraphim Council whose word carries great weight even if it is not as much word as the First Man might have carried had he not flunked the entrance exam his first try. One of the main proponents, obviously, of human-centrism he will always come down in politics on the side of whatever force is aiding man's learning and growing at the moment. Usually he is allied with Jean, Dominic, Litheroy, Christopher, and Marc in this regard but occasionally they have rather violent clashes over specific issues of whether Humanity is ready for advancement or not. Currently the greatest sticking point with Dominic is over Eli whom Adam believes has made a proper decision to submit himself fully to mankind's advancement rather than dwell in Heaven. Adam's most frequent opponent was ironically his closest friend in the Kyriotate Jordi who used to dwell with him in Eden. Jordi believes Adam has betrayed the peaceful coexistance with animals that he was supposed to represent while Adam believes that the Archangel has forgotten they are solely existing for mankind's service. Adam at present considers the domestication of all animals to be a priority on his agenda. Adam's two staunchest allies however remain David with their shared vision how to deal with Adam's wayward descendants and Yves who he holds in awe as the continuing voice of God. Allies: David, Yves Associates: Eli, Blandine, Jean, Marc, Christopher, Litheroy Neutral: Everyone Else except Hostile: Jordi _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:22:21 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: IN> London Sourcebook Hi people, Thanks to Charles and Shane there are now 2 PDF files available of my In Nomine London Sourcebook. What is even better is that they are just 2 Mb in size. I have created a little download page where you can download these files. You can find the page at: http://www.strike-to-stun.com/Mordheim/Karak_Azgal/KARAK_AZGAL_files/downloa d/download.htm Have fun with it and I would welcome any feedback (in case I am writing an updated version of it). Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:42:08 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> London Sourcebook >Have fun with it and I would welcome any feedback (in case I am writing an >updated version of it). if you do, It would be interesting to see whats happened to the tether situation in our capital city. (eg, whats happened/happening to David's wembley tether now it isn't the national stadium anymore. It still is, in peoples minds, but what if it moves to birmingham? (not that i'd complain t'would be down the road from me :P) Maybe david is partially behind the FA/Sports council's dithering so as to keep the tether in london, so he can maintain a higher presence there) And then there's the Millenium folly *ahem* Dome. surely a tether to Dark Humor. It's a bad enough joke at the taxpayers expense. Or maybe it's Mammon? How about the site of the Anti-Capitalism 'riots' - 2 years ago a tether to malphas, which suddenly switched to Novalis last year in the wake of the peaceful denomstration in 2001? - -FallenSeraph When the Heavenly Disco plays, You'll see God move in Mysterious Ways... http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Archangels and Religions... - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Here are some of my thoughts on the subject... Just > 'cause I wanted to add > my 10 cents (canadian) ^^ Dadblasted currency conversions... 0;> > Christopher: Is less interested in promoting ONE given > religion then in > making sure people stop using Religion as an excuse to > abuse kids, such as > die-hard christians giving their kids "the Belt" and the > practice of female > genatalia mutilation in some Muslim countries... Pharaonic circumcision is not an Islamic practice (many of the nations where it's practiced just happen to be Islamic now); it's an artifact of certain African cultures, mainly in the Nile Valley region (which has facilitated its spread to the Middle East). I agree with you concerning Christopher's opinion on it, though. > David: Judaism. The Jews are a race that have survived > throughout centuries > of Exodus and persecution thanks to their religion and > culture. Judaism has > allowed them to preserve their identity from nation to > nation for Thousands > of years. If that's not worth the Archangel of Stone's > respect, then nothing is. Hear, hear! > Janus: Ironically, I see him as a Discordian, what with > his love of Chaos... Janus is another AA I can't see supporting only one religion. Indeed, those of his angels who attend church probably don't attend the same one twice in a row. > Jordi: Probably a form of Animism, where one respects not > only "The Supreme > Creator", but also the spirits of Animals and Plants of > the world all > around. So what if that creates Ethereals, so long as > the animals get some respect? Ah, but a truly divine variant of animism wouldn't create Ethereals. Hinduism is the exception that proves the rule. > Novalis: Buddhism resonates with so many of Novalis' > beliefs: Pacifism, > trying to understand your enemies rather then hating > them, dedicating yourself to helping others... As someone else said, she probably likes the Quakers, too. > Zadkiel: Christian. She follows it because of it's > dedication to preserving > the Innocent. No, it's not because of Laurence. Get > your minds out of Shal-Mari... ! But... but... we LIKE having our minds in Shal-Mari... };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2513 ********************************